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Amazing! I believe But! Help!! needed, GODSown1
jER:
A few Scriptures, and a Heart for God is all you need. And brother Pera, you have that :D...let the Spirit do the rest.
The character and nature of God is greater than man's opinions!
A friend in Christ - jER
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: GODSown1 on July 24, 2007, 08:51:56 PM ---Hi all ur Help is so needed,
wher shall I start, Well in the weekend jus gone I was visited by a good friend from church, whom is a Criiminal Lawyer & is the Vessel I believe GOD used 4 me in my calling. Well in da weekend he came 2 c Y I aint been goin 2 church, um! U r bein decieved! bla bla bla, But! den I let him hav it, Righteously of coz :D ,of da hour he was der he Only had 10minutes to speak az spoke ova him & stood firm of da Truths & wot I hav learn't well wot my Eyes hav been Opened 2, well b4 he left he said 2 me "Bro U r 1 out of da Box character & I truly admire ur dilengency" den said " I really didnt want our friendship 2 end dis way (wit tears in his eyes I mus add, showing his sincerity), I jus said mate! it will only b U whom end it, az I said "my arms will alwayz b Open 2 him & his Wife & 2 n e 1 else frm da church & he left. Well yestrday I recieved a fonecall frm a now retired snr Pastoress! & Pastor whom r da founders of 'NEW LIFE Church' der r many all ova the world & I hav much respect 4 them az da wife put on our wedding 4 us @ der home & it was an Amazing day plus dey r jus Awesum pple 2 know ( I once believed if der was n e annoitted pple in dis World, dey surely r d@), well wher was I? :), Yvonne says 2 me I havnt seen U @ church in bout 2-3months is n e thing wrong? actually as soon az I heard her voice I new Y she had rung (my Lawyer friend :) ), I jus answered her "I havent stopped LOVING GOD, actually I believe I have more LOVE 4 HIM more den eva b4", she says aw! d@s real good, but I was wondering if U & Tristan(wife) would cum ova 2nite jus 2 catch up, No hesatation I said Yes we would Love 2, so 8pm lastnight we went up 2 their very beautiful home. Well John her husband was der a good man I mus add 2, well dey started wit my wife Knowing really she had nothing 2 do wit Y we were there & asked her a few Questions den BANG!! lol! :D "all eyes on me" lol! :). So 2 show abit more respect bein in der home & 4 whom dey were I was abit more calmer in my answering But did get out stuff I really felt da church 2day was doin (well more not doin) :) & der precious "New Life Church" az well. Well John started der r plenty of verses about money in the Bible, der surely is a hell, Ive seen many a man b pulled frm the church wit dez teachingz bla bla bla, BUT! then BANG!! the words he said d@ Hit me in da head, "Well if U r prepared 2 cum up nxt week & hav a study with a Open mind & bring all wot ur paperwork & wot hav U, & i will b prepared 2 do da same az Im all about knowing GODS Truths proven frm the Word of GOD only". This is wot got me sayn YES! he was prepared 2 listen especially if its concerning GODS Truths. :D Now!! Y Im writing dis is I would LOVE sum feed back frm uz all on, the Questions hez most likely 2 ask & hw I am 2 scripturly answer dem & how eva I should answer him,um! wot uZ think would b the best 2 hit him with, I no one is the hell well the NO hell, az I did bring dis up & he went on about den GOD wouldnt b just! bla bla bla, Tithing he didnt actually say I was wrong but jus said money is mentioned many times in the Word bla bla bla. But! I really! really! ask all my brothers & sisters 4 ur input, az Im seeing dis could end up being a great!! thing GOD Willing of corZ, um! GODS Will not ours I think needs 2 b said, um! GODS in Control & each & everyone has der own Plans GOD given um... PlezZ!!! I ask in the mighty! glorious! amazing! precious formidable! name of CHRIST JESUS ur HELP. GODBLESS! uz AlL most abundantly!!!! Oxx
much muchLOVE!! Pera
Ps.Well I hope dis all makes sense??, its next Wednesday apparently we r 2 discuss/ study dis all, Peace! 2 AlL BlesSuP!, aw! jus remembered 2 I said 2 him wot does ALL will b saved mean't, his reply it says no such thing :) lol! hmm.... :)
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Pera you are one of a kind man. Truly you make me smile, everytime and right now is one of those times. The love you have for all around you amazes me, and i am humbled.
Brother there is so much when it comes to the salvation of all mankind, the evil lie of eternal damnation, and a Father who is truly in controle.
I want to give you a verse that i feel will give you peace when you go to speak with this man;
Matthew 10:19-19 "And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak."'
I have full faith that God will show you and speak through all that He wishes to say to this man. You are His vessel, a vessel of honor by His mercy and grace.
Matthew 28:20 "...lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Perhaps if the Lord wills, i can give you some scriptures that would help in showing this man the truth. We do have this very simple yet profound and powerful verse that no man can deny;
1 Timothy 2:3-4 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
Remember Pera, that whatever God simply WISHES will be accomplished, let alone WILLS.
Remember the former things of old: for I am GOD, and there is none else; I am GOD, and there is none like Me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel SHALL STAND, and WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE [as in I Tim. 2:4 and everywhere else]: (Isaiah 46:8-10)
Much love to you pera, and my prayers are with you always.
In Christ,
Alex
rk12201960:
Hi Pera,
Hell is the power of the church. They use it (Satan) and plant it deep in their church goers hearts. It a control play. Now you must understand they hold this as true to them as Saul believed that he was right.
I would read all the LOF on hell and pick out what God showed you to bring you here. Use what you know and if asked a question you are not totally sure of just say that you will look for the scriptures that apply and get back to them at a later date, this keeps the door open even if they think they will correct you.
MOST of all PRAY to our God in Jesus that he leads you in this stand for HIS truth. Alex brought out some very good Scripture>
REMEMBER if you are not sure use the, "I'll get back to you on that.
You bring out a very strong question and I have to be sure my answer is correct with the word of God. "
Write down ALL questions as this will prove to then (if they return) that you are very careful in handling the word of God.
God is with you my brother.
Randy.
;D 8) ;D
Kat:
Hi Pera,
Well that is an interesting situation you are in. You have a opportunity to teach your ex-pastor the truth.
My dear friend I have a feeling this may be more intended to show you all the errors of what you are learning. These preachers have studied the scriptures for many years, to form there heresies, and I don't think he has any intention of letting you show him the truth, because he thinks he already has it. Please be careful about walking into a snakes den, he is prepared and waiting on you.
I think Janice has the right idea. Unless you have all these scripture nailed down and can quote them at the drop of a hat, it will be difficult to recall them when he is bombarding you with questions. They always seem to ask questions you were not expecting.
I think maybe you should mail him a card (before you go there next Wed.), with Ray's site on it-Bibletruths.com, and tell him this is where you have been studying. How ever he responses to BT will give you a big clue as to where he is coming from. If he is sincerely looking into the truth, you will know by a positive reaction from what he read. If he starts in on Ray, as not knowing what he's taking about, you will know that there is no need to try and convince him.
Well, this will be interesting to see how it goes. I will certainly keep you in my prayers :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
carol70:
Hi Pera,
You've been given some very good advice and I agree with what's already been said. I just wanted to send some more encouragement your way. You're such a beacon of light on this forum. I pray your meeting has a peaceful outcome.
Love and blessings,
Carol
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