Feat
Here is the article you posted and challenge me with. I am sure Ray could do a MUCH better job of dissecting its mellifluous mush and exposing and expelling the dogma and false posturing that is so transparent in the except. I have kept the excerpt in green as you originally posted for ease of reference for others who are visiting this discussion.
The science of theology is full of theoriesDoesn't waste much time! Straight for the jugular! When did theology become a SCIENCE? When did SCIENCE become full of THEORIES? This is complete square circles. Can anyone see the nonsense yet?
THEORIES….Just what is a theory? A theory is a speculation. It is conjecture without knowing the complete facts. It is a tentative generalization of which the validity has to still be proved…like reincarnation, the Trinity, Tithing, Free Will, evolution etc…These are ALL theories based on half truths, incomplete facts and generalizations wining popular approval and a multitude of followers.
....the fullness of these theories explain the wonders of the soul according to its capacity. Well maybe this is correct for those souls who embrace error and fiction but it is not accurate in alluding to MY SOUL and neither is it accurate regarding Paul's soul or Timothy's soul, or the souls of the like minded with Christ who know and understand that scoffers, mockers will come in the last days with scoffing, false and cunning arguments who beguile and lure, misinterpret and twist and misconstrue the Word of God.
One may be conversant with all these speculations, speak and write
about them admirably, instruct others and guide souls; and guide souls….AND GUIDE SOULS…who guides souls? The ones conversant with speculations? Do they guide souls? Who is guiding your soul. The teachings of Christ or the irreverent babble and godless chatter of vain and empty and worldly phrases and subtleties and contradictions in what is falsely called knowledge and spiritual illumination. 1 Tim 6:20
...yet, if these theories are only in the mind,IF...IF these theories are only in the mind...OF COURSE THEORIES ARE ONLY IN THE BLIND MIND...a theory by definition IS ONLY IN THE MIND BECAUSE IT IS INSUFFICIENT, INCOMPLETE AND YET TO BE PROVED. So YES, those who sport with such theories and conjecture are indeed as ones compared to those without knowledge not of theories but of God and His Christ who is the way the Truth and the Life. But, NOTICE, THIS IS NOT what the author says. Read it carefully. The author says that the ones conversant with speculations, speak and write about them admirably, instruct others and guide souls but THEY ARE without any knowledge of what they speak about…NOW WHY DOES THE AUTHOR MAKE THIS CONNECTION? Which is true by the way but not for the reason given! Here is the clincher…HERE IS THE REASON....
because they have not received the meaning of the designs of God. They do not do Gods will…
HELLO. Huston I think we have a problem!…THEY do not do God's Will AND FOR THAT REASON
they are as sick physicians compared to simple people in perfect health.Here is the Plan of God. That we ALL GO AGAINST HIS WILL FOR NON...NON ARE PERFECT EXCEPT CHRIST. So lets be more direct..….fasten your seat belt…
the faithful soul, the simplicity producing this divine state…What produces divine state? SIMPLICITY? What a foolish notion! What a lie! GRACE is the DIVINE ACTION ON OUR HEARTS THAT COMES FROM GOD! This divine truth was revealed via Ray Smith in one of his audios. Kat no doubt will have the details at her finger tips for those interested to persue this study and access this teaching.
By GRACE we are saved by faith...that faith that is Christs gift,domain and authority. The Divine state is Christ who is NOT
the unknowing simpleton who neither knows nor wishes to know anything about medicine. Now we are getting into nothing short of blasphemy! Anyone still want to go with this heresy? Anyone still advocating the excerpt has any truth in it?
Jesus Christ IS THE MEDICINE.
The designs of God and his divine will accepted by a faithful soul
with simplicity produces this divine state in it without its knowledge, just
as a medicine taken obediently will produce health, although the sick person
neither knows nor wishes to know anything about medicine.What a sick and depraved conclusion based on error with no support of the Truth of Gods word or the power of Gods Sovereignty!
ABANDONMENT TO DIVINE PROVIDENCE
- by Jean Pierre de Caussade, S.J.In just few words THEORY by Jean Pierre de Caussade SJ captures a VAST SWAMP OF QUICK SAND AND CORRUPT mellifluous mush.
Mellifluous – sounds or utterances smooth or honeyed sweet.
Mush – cloying sentimentality
Cloy – to make weary or cause weariness through an excess of something sweet. a) to nail from Medieval Latin – a nail. b) to obstruct.
Theory is a tentative generalization of which the validity has to be proved. Such examples as the writing of Jean Pierre de Caussade, S.J. are straw ideas written to gain approval by default and a following by high sounding ideology that lacks in wisdom, knowledge and love for the Words of God. It is a tentative man made fiction.
Tentative – provisional, experimental, conjectural, uncertain
Generalize – to change from a localized infection or condition to a systemic one.
Systemic – of a poison, disease affecting the entire body.
That excerpt, to be more direct, is poison, wearisome conjecture.
Conjecture – the formation of conclusions from incomplete evidence; guess
I notice Feat that you falsely accuse me of
posturing which by the way is a false or affected attitude more properly attributed to
your author of that septic tank of lies and deceits. For your information my attitude, that is an indication of my view or disposition especially as it indicated allegiance, is neither false, or artificial to impress others.
Your transparent challenge that I attempt to respond as Ray can I should take that as a compliment as Christ has made Ray a unique, precious vessel of honour, truths and revelations of which I find NON from your teacher the Jesuit who perfects posturing with an infection of bad ideas, false teaching, heresy and blasphemy against the Truths and Teachers of Christ.
Janice you observe that :
[May I, Janice, personally add, and it is of no matter if it comes from L. Ray Smith either.] This is critically important when we begin to address ourselves to restoring the New Testament witness of Christ and His church."That is a false teaching that WE are restoring the New Testament witness of Christ and His Church. It is the Spirit of Christ who is the witness not us!
John 14:26
But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in MY NAME (Ref to Ray Smiths teachings to discover what My Name means)
He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I HAVE SAID TO YOU. (That being whatsoever CHRIST HAS SAID and not what Jesuit…what’s his name said or says or believes or postures.)
Your comment about Ray Smith is off cue Janice, and you should be warned that 24. ANYONE (no respect or of persons here...or for false teachers, heresy or blasphemy or agreements with such…..or agreements or agendas to make feel good sweet mush the replacement theory for Christ’s Spirit of TRUTH)
who does not really love ME, does not OBSERVE AND OBEY MY TEAHCHING. And the teaching which you hear and heed is NOT MINE ( but is the worldly wisdom of heretics and false prophets and blind guides)
but from the Father Who sent Me. Ray Smith teaches Christ’s Mind through the Spirit of Christ that reveals the Mind, Spirit and Truth of Christ. Christ HIMSELF has given Ray Smith as a Teacher to US.
Eph 4 : 10 HE
Who descended is the very same as He Who also has ascended high above the heavens, that He might fill all things. 11. And HIS gifts, He Himself appointed and gave men to US, some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and TEACHERS. These are GIFTS to US. Be cautioned. Don’t look the gift horse in the mouth!
I see one point you make in your post Rodger. You very astutely use the term f
fertilizer to describe GAFF but then again fertilizer is manure used to increase productivity. Good one Rodger! We need less false teaching and more truth to grow productively into the image and likeness of Christ. Ray is an exemplary example!
Peggy
You call my friend Rodger
ugly, a brat, a smart mouth and then you tell him to
relax its okay! Such hostile persecution wins more rewards for Rodger in heaven! So go ahead. Gnash your teeth or STOP IMMEDIATELY and review what and who you are accusing!
Incidentally Feat,
Ray also gets sludge served up to him to dissect for truth and he says he has got better things to do. So, I would like to imitate my teacher. So for the record let it be known that I prefer
to shut my mind against and have nothing to do with trifling, ill-informed, un edifying, stupid controversies over ignorant questionings as they foster only strife and cultivate and breed quarrels. 2 Tim 2:23
Hope that is direct enough and that others saw some light!
Please revisit and reacquaint yourself with :
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4558.0.html and
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3614.0.htmlPeace to you
Arcturus