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Hebrews 9:26
Rene:
--- Quote from: gmik on July 27, 2007, 09:28:00 PM ---Hi all,
Heb. 9:28...salvation to those who eagerly await Him.
Hmmm.....that could be an argument that only those who eagerly await Him get salvation. Those that died in unbelief weren't eagerly awaiting Him.
Thoughts???
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Hi Gena,
Take a look at these scriptures:
Romans 8:19 - "For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God." (ESV)
Another translation:
"For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. (NKJV)
Romans 8:22 - "For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now."
Romans 8:23 - "And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons..."
It seems to me everyone therefore would qualify as "eagerly waiting." It is a spiritual concept with a spiritual fulfillment. Those who are spiritually "blind" aren't even aware they are "eagerly waiting" for the revelation of Jesus Christ and His Elect :)! Ultimately, ALL will be saved.
Rene'
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello G
You say : Those that died in unbelief weren't eagerly awaiting Him.
What about those who died in belief and were eagerly awaiting Him from the OT? We know that they will go to the LOF for they were not given the promises that we have in the new and better covenant that Christ brought us.
What about those who die after a quickie 10 second sinners prayer and eager motivation to by pass a life time of denial of Christ and refusal to obey what He says? We know they will not surely receive the first Resurrection.
I like what you observe Iris, And we know that ALL will be saved. If not in the first resurrection, then in the second. How wonderful is that? What a loving God!!!
Amen to that! :D ;D
I believe those who are eagerly waiting for Him are those who know, follow and love Him. They are sharing His cross and can not wait to share their intimate moments with Him who is able to understand, sympathize and have a shared feeling with our weaknesses and infirmities like no other human on the face of this earth because of what He has suffered for us all.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
humblebob:
Hi, I've wondered the same thing about the dispensational view of Romans 11.26, "And so all Israel will be saved." The view is that Romans 11.26 is to be taken literally of natural Israel. So that in some future period, all the citizens of natural Israel, the nation, will be saved, at some undetermined future point in time. If this is true, then from the time Paul wrote this to the present, about 50 generations of Israel's citizens will have come and gone, and we could be looking at dozens more generations of natural Israelites bypassed by this prophecy before its future fulfilllment.
So whenever the prophecy is fulfilled for natural Israel, only a small fraction of natural Jewish citizens would be affected. I've wondered why Paul would take great pains to announce a major prophecy that would leave such a large majority of Israel's inhabitants unaffected. I think there are probably better ways to understand this passage.
enarchay:
--- Quote from: iris on July 27, 2007, 06:46:58 PM ---Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Is this saying that the end of the world started when Christ died?
What are your thoughts on this?
Iris
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The Greek word translated "world" is aion, meaning "age." It is also important to notice that the Greek word translated "foundation," katabole, originating from the Greek word kataballo ("to throw down, cast down"), is better translated as "down-casting." In other words, God foreknew the coming of the Messiah before the fall of Adam, the "down-casting" of the kosmos. Christ appeared at the end of the age to suffer at the climax of Israel's history that will lead into a new age with a New Covenant ruled by the Messiah, Jesus.
enarchay:
--- Quote from: humblebob on July 29, 2007, 08:53:31 PM ---Hi, I've wondered the same thing about the dispensational view of Romans 11.26, "And so all Israel will be saved." The view is that Romans 11.26 is to be taken literally of natural Israel. So that in some future period, all the citizens of natural Israel, the nation, will be saved, at some undetermined future point in time. If this is true, then from the time Paul wrote this to the present, about 50 generations of Israel's citizens will have come and gone, and we could be looking at dozens more generations of natural Israelites bypassed by this prophecy before its future fulfilllment.
So whenever the prophecy is fulfilled for natural Israel, only a small fraction of natural Jewish citizens would be affected. I've wondered why Paul would take great pains to announce a major prophecy that would leave such a large majority of Israel's inhabitants unaffected. I think there are probably better ways to understand this passage.
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It is important to notice that Paul says the branches cut-off will not be grafted back in unless they repent. If they repent they will be grafted back in. That's a big if, though. The "all Israel" that was to be saved was the remnant of the repentant, Messiah following people of God counted as Abraham's seed through faith, including both Jews and Gentiles (for Gentiles are grafted into Israel). I believe this refers to the coming judgment upon Jerusalem in A.D. 70 when the Romans slaughter thousands of Jews and destroy the Temple. The “all Israel” that is saved consists of those that listen to Christ’s words and flee Jerusalem when they see signs of a coming judgment (i.e. Mar 13:14).
Paul's point is that God still loves the Israelites very much and he will not abandon them. Yet, those that are cut-off from the tree of Israel, though they be Israelites according to the flesh, are not counted for the seed of Abraham, and no longer counted as God's chosen people (according to the Spirit, not flesh), and therefore are not "saved." He informs us not to be haughty, because the cut-off branches can easily be grafted back in if they repent. Though many according to the flesh were to be slain by the Romans, a small remnant according to the Spirit and faith were to survive—and that remnant is not merely Gentiles, but also Jews; the Apostles and many other followers were indeed Jews, so God was not completely abandoning Israel according to the flesh, lest Gentiles have reason to boast.
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