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Hebrews 9:26
hillsbororiver:
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I would say it ended between the transfer from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, marked by the destruction of the Temple.
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.
When Jesus was resurrected from the dead the New Covenant went into effect,
His Peace to you,
Joe
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I believe the age ended and the new age began in steps. Jesus dying and resurrecting, pentecost, and the destruction of Jerusalem all were signs of the end of an evil age and the beginning of a new age.
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Some scriptural witnesses please?
So then those who were martyred before the literal Temple was destroyed were under the Old Covenant?
This is confusion.
Joe
enarchay:
--- Quote ---Offcourse isreal will be saved. Comon nitemare, i thought this was common knowledge for you.
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You are missing the fact Paul says unless Israel repents, they will remain cut-off. The "all Israel" consists of the repentant; the ones still a part of the tree, both Jews and Gentiles.
--- Quote ---There was never a FALL OF MAN because MAN was NEVER in a position to FALL FROM. He was created of the DUST OF THE EARTH, NAKED [in sin.]
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Sin is the disobeying of a law. God did not say to Adam, "Thou shalt not be naked."
Adam disobeyed God (sinned), then God kicked him out of Eden. That is a fall. Remaining in Eden is the opposite of a fall, being kicked out is a fall.
--- Quote ---Offcouse God knew that adam and eve would sin, thats why Christ was slain for the sins of the world from the foundation of it.
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I agree.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: enarchay on July 30, 2007, 01:32:15 PM ---
--- Quote ---Offcourse isreal will be saved. Comon nitemare, i thought this was common knowledge for you.
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You are missing the fact Paul says unless Israel repents, they will remain cut-off. The "all Israel" consists of the repentant; the ones still a part of the tree, both Jews and Gentiles.
--- Quote ---There was never a FALL OF MAN because MAN was NEVER in a position to FALL FROM. He was created of the DUST OF THE EARTH, NAKED [in sin.]
--- End quote ---
Sin is the disobeying of a law. God did not say to Adam, "Thou shalt not be naked."
Adam disobeyed God (sinned), then God kicked him out of Eden. That is a fall. Remaining in Eden is the opposite of a fall, being kicked out is a fall.
--- Quote ---Offcouse God knew that adam and eve would sin, thats why Christ was slain for the sins of the world from the foundation of it.
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I agree.
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Nitemare you are also missing the point that paul says 'ALL ISREAL.'
Does ALL not mean ALL to you?
What causes man to repent nitemare, His free will?
Nitemare, since when does getting kicked out of Eden equate to a FALL? A FALL suggests FALLING FROM A POSITION OF GREATER HEIGHT. Can YOU PROVE man was in a position that was HIGHER prior to bieng kicked out of eden?
Love,
Alex
enarchay:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on July 30, 2007, 01:31:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: enarchay on July 30, 2007, 01:27:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on July 30, 2007, 01:23:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: enarchay on July 30, 2007, 12:57:03 PM ---
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I would say it ended between the transfer from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, marked by the destruction of the Temple.
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.
When Jesus was resurrected from the dead the New Covenant went into effect,
His Peace to you,
Joe
--- End quote ---
I believe the age ended and the new age began in steps. Jesus dying and resurrecting, pentecost, and the destruction of Jerusalem all were signs of the end of an evil age and the beginning of a new age.
--- End quote ---
Some scriptural witnesses please?
So then those who were martyred before the literal Temple was destroyed were under the Old Covenant?
This is confusion.
Joe
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I'm just saying those events were all signs of the beginning of a new age. In the old age, the Israelites worshiped God in a temple, in the new age, the Israelites (Jews + Gentiles) WERE the temple. The destruction of the Temple was a sign that God would and was dwelling among his people in a new and better way.
Craig:
--- Quote ---You are missing the fact Paul says unless Israel repents, they will remain cut-off. The "all Israel" consists of the repentant; the ones still a part of the tree, both Jews and Gentiles.
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You are letting a statement of fact become a statement of limitation.
Let's say I live on an island with one bridge in. To far to swim, no boats, planes, etc. No other way to get to me. I tell you I am going to bring all to this island and they won't get here until they go across my bridge.
I've stated a fact that I will bring all here and also the limitation that they will eventually have to cross the bridge to get there. But the fact remains, I will bring all here.
Craig
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