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Coming Out of Bablon the Right Way

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rvhill:
stay away from talk of the after life , like death, heaven or hell unless you feel you know what your are talking about.  I would also not to be afraid to use

John 3:9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

   10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

   11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

   12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

   13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


Say you are still learning earthly things, and am not yet ready to talk of heavenly things.

shibboleth:
It's hard to give a pat answer to your question, because each situation would require a different answer. I have copied articles and given them to people who are searching for truth.
The church I left wasn't very close so noone, except the pastor, called me. I sent him some literature and all he did was deny it.
I have run into people I knew from a church I attended years ago, and just mention UR and tell them about Rays site. It is a good feeling to tell others about this truth, but very few people will respond, that's been my perception so far.

mcmiller:
Thanks for the input, I appreciate it very much.  Isn't it interesting how a person can be a part of "The Church" that is supposedly teaching the truth from God for 55 years, come to the point of leaving for the sake of the real truth and then not feeling prepared to talk about it? I mean, you would think that at least something was true, but like Paul said it is all dung.  
For me, I think the best advice so far, given my personality, is to do the best to answer the specific questions if they come.  In reality, I think it is only necessary to give one reason for leaving, it is not wise to try an shotgun people with a hundred reasons.  I like the approach of focussing on salvation for all (at the proper time) and leave it at that.  If that is not enough, I do feel comfortable dealing with the "Free Will" issue.

Thanks again for responding.  Critique on the above is welcome as well as additional inputs.

Your brother and sister,

Mark and Candy

ertsky:
it's a fascinating topic

i got offered the left foot of fellowship years ago, before i knew anything much at all (not that i know much now LOL)

i knew the fellowship i was part of was way off, lots of dead letter preaching, tithing, tithing and more tithing etc etc, so even though i didn't know "eternal hell" was a false doctrine God had shown me something was way WAY off. as time went by i was invited to leave. i still remember the morning i was cast out LOL! it was surreal! God was with me! He always has been very real and close to me in moments of rejection, there is something very dear to Christ, very precious to God, in suffering for His sake

Joh 1:11  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

He understands it so very well

Phi 1:29  For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

however!

Rom 8:17  And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 8:18  For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

but these days i'm more inclined to silence until it becomes impossible but to speak.

a friend asked me why i wouldn't go to church with him and i replied, because you teach there that God will torture people in hell forever and ever! He was embarrassed and mumbled something about "not really believing that" though it was obvious he knew the doctrine i referred to.

He then said quite boldly "well if we believe in jesus were saved RIGHT?"
(as if to say doctrine doesn't matter)

i sadly nodded, the beast in him was evident, at that time i was ill equipped to take him to task, though perhaps later God might use me to speak further with him.

i've really felt the need to be quiet and learn, learn and relearn, i think when God is ready he will use me if He wants to.

i said to another brother that God chastises us and scourges every son that He recieves and his eventual response was "you are decieved" LOL!

he ran 100 miles an hour away from the suggestion that suffering was part of identifying with Christ!

it seems the offence of the cross has not ceased ! and no surprise

Gal 5:11  And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

anyways i am trying not to say anything lately unless i feel inspired or lead in love, to say it, if i hear Him, i try to get it out, otherwise i am content today at least, to just listen, to eat pineapple, read a short story, realise how totally unable i am to do anything, and marvel at how easily i am lead astray, and how wonderfully He restores me, at how little i know Him and His word, God i hope before i leave this three score and ten life that i get a whole lot more like Him than i am now.

1Th 5:24  Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Mickyd:
I have found that trying to tell the truth to Christians is allot like turning on a 10,000 watt flood light directly in their eyes. They will duck, cover and scream at you to turn it off! :shock:

Don't try to force the issue. If you do try an explain your beliefs to them...make it short and sweet with a few scriptures, then walk away. After a few days....some of it may sink in.

In the end....it is God that must lead them into the light.

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