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hillsbororiver:
Hi Everyone,
I will address some of the issues presented here as time allows, I may have to get back to it later though.
As far as healings and does it apply to all believers right now? No. Why you may ask, because the apostle's work in regard to spreading the Word of God, miracles, and traveling to the far corners of the earth are shadows of the elect and the work they will be doing with Christ in the next age, please keep in mind that the scriptures themselves are primarily for the elect.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
(Verily twice, it means PAY ATTENTION!)
The greater work is yet to come, the fall harvest is a much bigger harvest than the firstfruits which were the apostles and the elect in the present (all generations) age.
Why does Jesus state that He will be telling some folks who have claimed to do great works in His name that He never knew them? I am not saying that all miracles and healings are not of God but there are some counterfeits to be sure.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Notice the word "many?")
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Have to run but I will continue later.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
PS Hi Kat I see we posted within minutes of each other once again! ;)
mrsnacks:
Thanks Kat: I didn't know the "This" in the greek can mean this or that . But we all agree that 70 A.D. occurred and that some of what is spoken in Matt 24 has not happened yet. The thing I have with the futurist is that all that was spoken is future.
I am just wrestling with some things now.The church I have been attending I am not anymore. God has called me out. I was there as you know to be an instrument of God. Participating and expressing truths in spoonfuls. A few have been called out because God has used me. Now the door is closed. IT got back to the pastors that I was talking to a few members who were open about tithing not being biblical. There was Judas who went to the pastors. That enraged the pastor and his wife. MY wife has stopped tithing and a few others and God has continued to bless even though they have stopped tithing. And of course the leaders of the building weren't too pleased in losing a few contributers and money out of their pocket. So of course the Judas also went back saying I didn't agree with the doctrines of orthodox Christianity. So do you think I am welcome ? Of course not. They would've have me teach a class now if I paid them. And to attend would be a visit to a hornets nest.
Anyway, I have received the truth and of course what is false in me must leave. God has opened my eyes in revealing to me the
" many" mentioned are ones that have performed mighty works in His name. The many there ( majority) God said " depart from Me." HE doesn't know them ! So just because a believer is doing mighty works ( healing , prophecies, and miracles) doesn't mean God has a relationship with them. They look like sheep from the outside. But inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on August 02, 2007, 11:14:23 AM ---Hi Everyone,
I will address some of the issues presented here as time allows, I may have to get back to it later though.
As far as healings and does it apply to all believers right now? No. Why you may ask, because the apostle's work in regard to spreading the Word of God, miracles, and traveling to the far corners of the earth are shadows of the elect and the work they will be doing with Christ in the next age, please keep in mind that the scriptures themselves are primarily for the elect.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
(Verily twice, it means PAY ATTENTION!)
The greater work is yet to come, the fall harvest is a much bigger harvest than the firstfruits which were the apostles and the elect in the present (all generations) age.
Why does Jesus state that He will be telling some folks who have claimed to do great works in His name that He never knew them? I am not saying that all miracles and healings are not of God but there are some counterfeits to be sure.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Notice the word "many?")
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Have to run but I will continue later.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
PS Hi Kat I see we posted within minutes of each other once again! ;)
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Thanks . Helpful post. I know these things you have mentioned but it does help to have the truth confirmed within me. I need to hear things twice or even more than that.
DuluthGA:
God bless you Snacks and your family.
With love, Janice
Free fallin'.... ;) ;)
And......
An amen from me, Matt, as His spirits leads... :) ;)
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