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sasscell:
Oh no, Yellowstone, I don't think badly of them at all, this is why I said we all begin (from our perspective, God drags us!!) our journey's this foolish, niave (SP?) way. This includes me. I certainly don't think God looks badly either, as this is an achievement of His when we finally ( in response to Him) turn to face Him and give Him what we feel He is requireing albeit rags!! It's kindof like when my kids come to me with birthday gifts. They have no money, can't get to the store without me to buy me a gift, so they give me something of theirs wrapped in tin foil. And while the gift is worthless in monetary value, it still means the world to me.
YellowStone:
Hi Sasscell, :)
I'm sorry for wording my response poorly. I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just generally. :)
I loved your gift analogy, it fit perfect and yes, such gifts are priceless. Who can imagine what it will be like when we see and fully understand the love God has shown us, and look upon everything as priceless. I try, but sadly, I am clueless. Yet I have hope in Him that the time will come. :)
Thanks for a great discussion :)
Love,
Darren
Kat:
Hi Darren,
--- Quote ---Do you see what such are loving, they are loving the attribute and not the person.
Yet we are told:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
This is both a commandment and an invatation, because, before one can fully love God, they must first attempt to learn of and build a relationship with God. AND we cannot do this without Help. Much needed help!!
--- End quote ---
On these points you made, how casn you separate a person from there attributes?
The invitations is what the church teaches God offers all, but WE must except it, this is better know as free will. And to say, they must first attempt to learn of and build a relationship with God. AND we cannot do this without Help
Not only can we not do this on our own, WE can not take the first step at all. WE have nothing to do with Him choosing us. WE do not get help, HE does it all.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.
Phi 2:13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Just wanted to bring out the point it is ALL of God, WE can do nothing until He works it in us.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
Kat, I said the following :)
--- Quote ---This is both a commandment and an invatation, because, before one can fully love God, they must first attempt to learn of and build a relationship with God. AND we cannot do this without Help. Much needed help!!
--- End quote ---
So perhaps we don't recieve a hand written invitation from God, but we must "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. " Pro 3:5
But we are to take the "invitation" or step through the doors that God opens to us when he shed His light of truth upon us. Some walk through without question, some hold back for a long time.
Of course we cannot do anything of ourselves. If we could, who would need faith in God nor would we need to trust Him. To whom do you think I was refering to in the Bold Red text in my Quoted Text. It is God and He alone. :)
As for seperating the person from their attributes, it is very easy. Please read my post again. For whatever reason, carnal blindness or instructions from God, people see, hear, and believe what "they" want. UNtil God opens ones eyes and ears. :)
I trust you can believe I was referring to God.
Love in Christ the lamb,
Darren
Kat:
Hi Darren,
--- Quote ---But we are to take the "invitation" or step through the doors that God opens to us when he shed His light of truth upon us. Some walk through without question, some hold back for a long time.
--- End quote ---
This statment implies to me, that WE have to except this invitation or go through the door. That WE can hold back ???
Eph 1:11 in whom also we have been chosen to an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His own will,
To me this says we will come to the truth exactly when He wants us to. We do make choices, but not without a cause, He causes all things
Pro 16:9 A man's heart plans his way, but Jehovah directs his steps.
This transcript ‘FREE WILL’ IS AN OXYMORON explains this whole concept of the free will myth very well.
Here is the link http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5154.0.html
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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