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What Do The Denominations Have Right?
skydreamers:
--- Quote ---Anyone want to comment on what the churches might say about these verses in light of the fact they (mainstream christianity) teaches man was created perfect?
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
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Hi Joe,
This has been a really great thread! I'm trying to catch up with everything as I've been away for a couple weeks. This particular post stuck out to me because I had opportunity to have some in-depth discussions with my sister-in-law, and one of the things she kept going back to was that Adam and Eve were perfect and messed up by making the wrong choice....I quoted the verse in Jeremiah to her but she just couldn't connect the dots. I do think she was able to receive some of the things I said, and something that really interested her was that there are two resurrections...she has never been taught anything about the resurrections in the church! Isn't that amazing, since Paul says that our faith hinges upon the truth of the resurrection:
1 Corinthians 15:13-22
But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain...
...For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins...
...But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
I find the whole free will thing to be the biggest barrier in trying to consider universal salvation, because people still hang on to the idea that if they can choose to reject God they will be forever lost. It is a strong delusion indeed.
Thanks for all the great stuff in this thread everybody!
Peace,
Diana
hillsbororiver:
Thanks Diana,
It is great to see you here again!
Isn't it amazing how folks can still hang on to the fallacy that Adam & Eve were created perfect when the scriptures say otherwise?
We are witnessing a miracle really, the eyes He keeps in the dark for His time and season but once He grants the Light to shine through we are struck by the clarity of these verses, how could it be missed?
We know how....
His Peace to you,
Joe
eggi:
It's just amazing to see how far some are willing to go in "thinking above that which is written":
God should not otherwise be manifested to be the only God of all men, unless he should show his goodness in saving all types of men. Neither should Christ be seen to be the only mediator between God and all types of men, by having taken upon him that nature of man which is common to all men, unless he had satisfied for all types of men, and made intercession for all. (Geneva commentary on 1Ti 2:5)
Instead of recognizing that "all" would have to mean "all", they say that it means "all types of men". So, Jesus is the Saviour of "all types of men"? Meaning BOTH lawyers and academics?? It's really sounding stupid: "Jesus Christ, Saviour of all types of men"...
Give me a break! ;)
God bless you,
Eirik
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