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I am led to believe .....
YellowStone:
High Darren
Hi back Beloved, :)
I am grateful for your response. I figured this post might spark some serious insight and perhaps soul searching. I will comment in green. :)
;D Interesting song but I looked at the lyrics a littler differently ;D
I believe the sun should never set upon an argument
This verse was taken from the Bible...good start
I believe we place our happiness in other people's hands
THis too is there ..submit yourselves
I believe that junk food tastes so good because it's bad for you
When you eat and drink ....do it for the Glory of God : a Jack in the box cheezybite satifies your deepest lust, so you sow to that and clog your arteries. It does nothing to God unless you are totally without food and HUNGRY and all you have is a delicious cheesybite.(little fried macaroni and cheeses triangles)
I believe your parents did the best job they knew how to do
God gave them limited skills for some to get you where you are now GOOD reason
I believe that beauty magazines promote low self esteem
Almost ALL magazines do this they are in business to appeal to your lusts (you do not have it and now you want it) DUH!
I believe I'm loved when I'm completely by myself alone
You are loved because God made you. Your only duty is to love Him and not yourself
I think there is indeed wisdom in the words of this song. How better way to hear and feel God when you are far removed from anyone else and all distractions.
Psa 46:10 "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
At least these are the times that I know I am closest to God and I feel his love the most.
I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
KARMA KRAP Stupid major lie. What did Jesus DO (heal teach raise the dead feed)to deserve what they did to Him
I think people get hung up on the word and forget the spiritual significance behind the message. Why then the words of Christ?
Mat 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Likewise the words of David in the 23rd Psalm: "Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life,..." [Psa 23:6] Goodness and Love, who would not want that? Goodness attracts goodness, love attracts love. In fact all of the fruits of the Spirit will attract the same, just as Evil will attract evil. The Scriptures warn us of this.
Proverbs 4:14 Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evil men.
Proverbs 4:15 Avoid it, do not travel on it; turn from it and go on your way.
Beloved, of course bad things happen. But try smiling at a checkout girl/boy you will most likely receive a smile in return, what chance of a smile if you scowl? I very much believe that if one shows love and charity through an open, honest and loving heart, the same will be given in return. I have seen it over and over again. :)
I believe you can't appreciate real love 'til you've been burned
All oppsities do this ...it is another leaf off the tree of Good and evil
If you eat off the tree of life ...you are never hurt when you give AGAPE love because you espect nothing in return
I think we are in agreement here, I think :)
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other sideSure it is my neighbor always has their sprinklers on and I have never seen mine work.... Thous shall not covet.. those things belong to God anyway
Um, I think the point was totally lost here. On the other side of what? I do not think a fence is being referred too. :)
To me, these words are speaking of being envious and jealous of others, of what they might have that you do not. We all know that the material possessions of this world are only temporary. Do the Scriptures not teach us that God will provide for us, that He will give us what we need when we need? :)
Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?
Luk 12:28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more [will he clothe] you, O ye of little faith?
Really, how much greener is the grass on the other side? What the words are saying to me, forget the other side and put all your trust in God.
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye
Another self cenetered thought.. you should think higher of them than yourself
I am very surprised at your response, after all you agreed with putting your happiness in other peoples hands :( Having lost many dear friends through death and moving around, I know well the hole that their being gone can leave in ones heart. You might call me self-centered, that is your choice, but do you or are you so completely at peace with yourself and God, that saying goodbye to a loved one doesn't bring back countless memories of fun times and many conversations that were had over the years. I know for a fact that people such as these were a bigger part of me than I knew.
I believe you can't control or choose your sexuality
WRONG I am doing a huge study on this ....this is a partial truth wrapped around a huge lie
Beloved, unless you can read the mind of God, I would not be so quick to judge. Just for interest, did those who are neither physically 100% male or 100% female, choose to be this way. I think not, who would want that and who could decide that before birth. Granted, this is just a single aspect, but worthy of consideration.
I believe that trust is more important than monogamy
Lie is more blatent . Monogamy= trust. If the person has sex with someonelse then what are you trusting them for?? Duh
I believe you missed the point Beloved. Monogamy = having only one spouse at a time. I know many marriages where neither the husband nor the wife trust the other, yet they are married but not happily. I would not want this, if my wife could not trust me, I would leave her, just as I would leave her if I could not trust her. Regardless if either of us was sleeping with another or not. What use is being married if there is no trust. I stand by these words. Trust must come first in any relationship.
I believe your most attractive features are your heart and soul
OUr most attractive feature is that we were created by a oving and Merciful creator. Man's hearts and souls are menstrual pads according to Jeriamiah
When the words "Heart and Soul" are used, they refer to not what a person looks like, nor how much money they have or the house they live in and especially the words that they say. Rather these two words mean to me, "who you are" , not "what" you are and "what you do" not what you say. Are these not gifts (spiritual) from God, are they not easily seen as such?
I believe that family is worth more than money or goldYes they are but not more important that Following Christ
Yes, but Christ was not mentioned. :) But then who can love and follow Christ with out first loving and providing material and spiritual necessities first. Mony or Gold will not appease God, but sharing the gifts given unto you with your family will not go unnoticed. For it is what we as parents are instructed to do.
I believe the struggle for financial freedom is unfair
Yes it is get over it. Be thankful whatever God has given you, if not enough then he is chastizing you..rejoice if he is giving you great wealth ... rejoice and share it
I feel a hint of animosity here. :( Remember what the song said about the grass not being greener on the other side :)
I believe the only ones who disagree are millionaires
Yeah like I care what most of them think... There are many financially free people who live economically and freeer than the millioniar (who is always thinkin who going to sue,cheat. rob or kidnap his children ...yeah that really sounds like freedom.
Yep, I am definitely feeling it. Big business or just about any business wants you to spend more and more. Yet the words of this song has discounted this thinking twice.
1. I believe beauty (you said most) magazines promote low self esteem.
2. The grass is not greener on the other side.
The millionaires that own and run these big corporations and magazines do not believe this, and certainly do not want anyone else believing it either. There is truth behind these words Beloved. :)
I believe forgiveness is the key to your own happiness
Another Bible quote stuck in the sandwich to fool you
What are you saying? :(
Are you even suggesting that one should not forgive. Who is fooled? :(
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
I believe that wedded bliss negates the need to be undressed
True : Eevn in heaven the bride has a spotless gown on, you do not want to be naked then
I believe that God does not endorse tv evangelists
Even the ungodly see this
I believe in love surviving death into eternity
Another Bible truth, that sounds nice to them but for the believers it is so rich in the Mystery of God that few of us can fatham it.
I am trying to look at everything the world puts out more critically. I often find my self falling for most of the slick packaging.
Beloved, I tried to respond to you as truthfully and as honestly as I could. I noticed that in another post you responded to Peggy, did she post something and then deleted it? If so then this is sad. :(
I hope you can receive this post in the love that which it was sent.
Love to you, in Christ, the lamb
Darren
Beloved
Beloved:
I had to go out to lunch but my adendum post did not get on and now I will have to re-write it.
You wrote:
I wonder what insights the Spirit has allowed each of us to see clearer now. The ones listed below are just a sample, but it is a start. and said .....Please share.
I am not critisizing your response to the lyrics I was sharing mine.
I believe I'm loved when I'm completely by myself alone
You are loved because God made you. Your only duty is to love Him and not yourself
I think there is indeed wisdom in the words of this song. How better way to hear and feel God when you are far removed from anyone else and all distractions.
Psa 46:10 "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
At least these are the times that I know I am closest to God and I feel his love the most.
I agree with this of course...Darren ...but I wrote what I wrote becaue too many people in the world think they are the center of the universe.
I did not say this lyric was untrue but only looked how it would best glorify God
I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
KARMA KRAP Stupid major lie. What did Jesus DO (heal teach raise the dead feed)to deserve what they did to Him
I think people get hung up on the word and forget the spiritual significance behind the message. THE STATEMENT IS I BELIEVE IN KARMA..... I will never confess those words
Why then the words of Christ?
Mat 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. AMEN
Likewise the words of David in the 23rd Psalm: "Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life,..." [Psa 23:6] Goodness and Love, who would not want that? Goodness attracts goodness, love attracts love. God does NOT Promise Good Physical Things for Good Acts.
In fact all of the fruits of the Spirit will attract the same, just as Evil will attract evil. The Scriptures warn us of this.
Proverbs 4:14 Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evil men.
Proverbs 4:15 Avoid it, do not travel on it; turn from it and go on your way.
Beloved, of course bad things happen. But try smiling at a checkout girl/boy you will most likely receive a smile in return, what chance of a smile if you scowl? I very much believe that if one shows love and charity through an open, honest and loving heart, the same will be given in return. I have seen it over and over again That can be carnal response. I was more interested in achieving AGAPE (love if you get spit at, smacked or cheated)
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side Sure it is my neighbor always has their sprinklers on and I have never seen mine work.... Thous shall not covet.. those things belong to God anyway
Hey I was just making a funny here ;D ;D My grass looks great...there is no fence ;D The point was't loss I agree with this lyric
Um, I think the point was totally lost here. On the other side of what? I do not think a fence is being referred too.
To me, these words are speaking of being envious and jealous of others, of what they might have that you do not. We all know that the material possessions of this world are only temporary. Do the Scriptures not teach us that God will provide for us, that He will give us what we need when we need?
Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?
Luk 12:28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more [will he clothe] you, O ye of little faith?
Really, how much greener is the grass on the other side? What the words are saying to me, forget the other side and put all your trust in God.
I believe you can't control or choose your sexuality
WRONG I am doing a huge study on this ....this is a partial truth wrapped around a huge lie
Beloved, unless you can read the mind of God, I would not be so quick to judge. Just for interest, did those who are neither physically 100% male or 100% female, choose to be this way. I think not, who would want that and who could decide that before birth. Granted, this is just a single aspect, but worthy of consideration
I already know that God chose their GENDER but....their own lusts chose their sexuality. There are seven things that go into determining a person's sex.
Believe me the topic of Sex is Big Mystery when you start to really study it.
I believe that trust is more important than monogamy
Lie is more blatent . Monogamy= trust. If the person has sex with someonelse then what are you trusting them for?? Duh
I believe you missed the point Beloved. Monogamy = having only one spouse at a time. I know many marriages where neither the husband nor the wife trust the other, yet they are married but not happily. I would not want this, if my wife could not trust me, I would leave her, just as I would leave her if I could not trust her. Regardless if either of us was sleeping with another or not. What use is being married if there is no trust. I stand by these words. Trust must come first in any relationship
I didn't make my point clear MONOGAMY means ONE UNION When you are One totally.....toal trust is implied. I am not in diasagreement of this lyric just confused by the language...
If trust is the Core of the Apple...then you need the rest of the apple Monogamy(skin and flesh) to make an APPLE whole. (my thinking can be quirky sometimes ;D) mea culp mea culpa mea maxima culpa
Beloved (I will post this and do the rest of the responce in next post)
I am really getting color confused ) ;D ;D ;D
YellowStone:
Hi Beloved :)
I think it is clear that we are in agreement with most everything. I must commend you and thank you the way you handled your response. I am impressed :)
Much love to you in the name of the one who gave it.
Darren
Beloved:
Rest of the questions
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye
Another self cenetered thought.. you should think higher of them than yourself
I am very surprised at your response, after all you agreed with putting your happiness in other peoples hands Having lost many dear friends through death and moving around, I know well the hole that their being gone can leave in ones heart. You might call me self-centered, that is your choice, but do you or are you so completely at peace with yourself and God, that saying goodbye to a loved one doesn't bring back countless memories of fun times and many conversations that were had over the years. I know for a fact that people such as these were a bigger part of me than I knew
My point is that when you think of them, you need to Rest in Christ that ...ALL things will be made New. I am not suggesting one does not feel sad when someone you love dies or leaves. But GOD HAS a PLAN. Everything God does is GOOD whether we see it or not in this life. I agree what this lyric says on the surface ...but I am also concerned where these feelings will go...back to self.
I believe that family is worth more than money or gold
Yes they are but not more important that Following Christ
Yes, but Christ was not mentioned. (Thats my point) But then who can love and follow Christ with out first loving and providing material and spiritual necessities first. Many people in the world do this. Mony or Gold will not appease God, but sharing the gifts given unto you with your family will not go unnoticed. For it is what we as parents are instructed to do. Okay with this
I believe the struggle for financial freedom is unfair
Yes it is get over it. Be thankful whatever God has given you, if not enough then he is chastizing you..rejoice if he is giving you great wealth ... rejoice and share it
I feel a hint of animosity here. Oh no Darren it is Complete Surrender to God's Will :D :D Remember what the song said about the grass not being greener on the other side
(The grass not be greener but it may be lush with no weeds, beautifully landscaped and managed totally by a lawn service etc so what? ) What did Jesus say to Peter "What is that to you?..You follow me"...after all He waters the just and the unjust
I believe the only ones who disagree are millionaires
Yeah like I care what most of them think... There are many financially free people who live economically and freeer than the millioniar (who is always thinkin who going to sue,cheat. rob or kidnap his children ...yeah that really sounds like freedom.
Yep, I am definitely feeling it. Big business or just about any business wants you to spend more and more. Yet the words of this song has discounted this thinking twice.
1. I believe beauty (you said most) magazines promote low self esteem.
2. The grass is not greener on the other side.
The millionaires that own and run these big corporations and magazines do not believe this, and certainly do not want anyone else believing it either. There is truth behind these words Beloved.
THERE IS TRUTH EVERYWHERE People LIke to USE Truth when they want to present other points... I am not saying that these words are necessarily untrue I am trying to discern the underlying and compare it with the scriptures. For example if you listen to DR Dwight on PBS right now he is promoting Tao Ching. He says a lot of true things that sound like spiritual dosctrine too.. even quotes scriptures. People are eating it up. I hope you are not taking my impression to these lyrics as a inditement against you... Not at all...Far from it IT is great that you are able to get peace and feel joy with true statements
I believe forgiveness is the key to your own happiness
Another Bible quote stuck in the sandwich to fool you
What are you saying?
Are you even suggesting that one should not forgive. Who is fooled?
No Darren I totally agree with this lyric... its some of the others that I am having some trouble with. Sometimes people will accept the whole because they here some words that they agree with
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
I totally agree Forgiveness in All things is essential
Please forgive me Darren if I offended you with my writing. I thought you were looking for different prespectives.
I posted Psalm 107 also because as a song it depicts that All the things that happen in this earthy exisitence are for the Glory of God. We need to experience, loss of loved ones, not being forgiven and being financially strapped etc. All is for the Glory of God.
Perhaps I picked too much at the lyrics...I was trying to look at things from another perspecitive than myself. I do not know God thoughts... they are deeper and higher than mine.
I posted to Peggy in the post with Psalm because the suffering topic closed. Did I not respond to her when she posted something to me??? Where is it and I will.
Love Peace Joy Mercy
Beloved No more colors post for right now
YellowStone:
Beloved, I have no problem with you or anthing that you wrote. I wanted honest comments and that is what you gave.
Thanks and Love to you in Christ,
Darren
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