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hillsbororiver

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The Life Of A Believer
« on: August 12, 2007, 04:11:59 PM »

THE LIFE OF A BELIEVER

Let’s see again just what is involved in living the live of a believer:

"For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. For we are HIS workmanship [Gk: achievement], created in Christ Jesus unto [unto what?] … unto GOOD WORKS, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10). We are not saved by OUR WORKS, but we are preordained to walk in GOD’S GOOD WORKS, nonetheless.

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3;3). Notice that Eph. 2:10 says that we are "created IN Christ." Something new happens when we are "IN" Christ. There is a NEW birth and there is a NEW creation, "Therefore if any man be IN Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE [Gk: creation]: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (II Cor. 5:17). Albeit, this new creation has its perils as we will see in the next verse.

"Yea, and ALL that will live godly in Christ Jesus [as a new and different creature] SHALL SUFFER PERSECUTION." (II Tim. 3:12). This is not just a possibility; it is an absolute PROMISE.

"Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through MUCH TRIBULATION [pressure, afflictions] enter into the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22).

"For if we would JUDGE OURSELVES, we should not be judged. But when we ARE JUDGED, we are CHASTENED [Greek: paideuo, to train, educate, discipline, punish, chastise, instruct, learn, and teach] of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world [at the great white throne judgment]" (I Cor. 11:31-32).

"And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks unto you as unto children, My Son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him. For whom the Lord loves He CHASTENS [Prov. 13:24] AND SCOURGES [see I Pet. 5:9] EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES. But if you be without chastisement, whereof ALL are partakers, then are you ********, and not sons" (Heb. 12:5-8). "Every man’s work shall be made manifest; for the day shall declare it, because it shall be REVEALED BY FIRE; and the fire shall try EVERY MAN’S WORK of what sort it is" (I Cor. 3;13).

"Fear NONE of those things which you shall suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that you may be tried; and you shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give you a CROWN OF LIFE" (Rev. 2:10). "To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the TREE OF LIFE [eternal, immortal life]" (Rev. 2:7), "He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11), "And he that overcomes, and keeps my works unto the end, to him will I give POWER OVER THE NATIONS" (Rev. 2;26), "He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment [righteousness] and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life [Christ is the book of life] but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels" (Rev. 3:5), "Him that overcomes will I make a PILLAR [a main and vital support in the very government of Almighty God] IN THE TEMPLE OF MY GOD…" (Rev. 3:12), "To him that overcomes will I grant to SIT WITH ME IN MY THRONE, even as I also overcame [see John 16:33], and am set down with My Father in His throne" (Rev. 3:21).

There we have a very brief overview of the life of a believer. Is it not obvious that the life of a believer consists of a whole lot more than just "believing" that Jesus is the Christ? God has bigger plans for the human race than just "saving" them. God can "save" chickens, but God doesn’t want chickens for sons! God wants sons that are PERFECT as He is perfect! Wouldn’t you all agree that becoming perfect might just require a whole lot more than singing gospel music once a week? Perfection requires many things that only God can perform in our lives. We are, after all, His workmanship, His achievement. Having ALL OUR WORKS tried in the fire of His Holy Spirit is no small part of becoming perfect.

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YellowStone

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2007, 09:01:21 PM »

Hi Joe, I have read and read again this post, yet I find nothing comforting or loving in it and I believe this to be an important aspect of living as a believer. Oh sure, I understand the need for correction, chastisement and punishment, yet the words seem to ignore those of the 23rd Psalm. Please know that I am not in any way attacking you or Ray, but in my humble opinion the Life of a Believer is far more than living in constant fear of evil and punshiment.

My thoughts follow :)

Psa 23:1 The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want.
Psa 23:2  He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
Psa 23:3  He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Psa 23:4  Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Psa 23:5  Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Psa 23:6  Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

These wise words align very well with the following words of Solomon

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.  

I would like to speak of persecution if I may. I am persecuted daily, the whole world is in contrast to what living as a believer will ultimately be. Commercialism, Capitalism, Socialism, Greed, Jelously, Murders, Rapes, More more more, Need need need, "Trust me!!!!!" Yeah right, :) I am persecuted on every front, there is very little room in this world for peace and fulfillement of the world to come.

Is there any here who have not experienced a profound chage in their lives? Likewise, is there any here who has found living "now" is to be living in constant fear of death or persecution from authorities. As Ray says and I quote: "We are not saved by OUR WORKS, but we are preordained to walk in GOD’S GOOD WORKS, nonetheless." Are we not to also assume that the murderer, theif or rapist is also "preordained" to do Gods will also?

This question has a profound effect on the level of fear, becasue if the evil one does as he chooses outside of the preordained wishes of God. then I would find many reasons to lay awake at night, petrified of even sleep, because would God be even powerful enough to watch over me as I sleep, even though I trust him too? :)

But if this is all nonsense as I believe it is, then I have no reason to fear all, NO REASON!!!   :)

Because what room is there for fear, once one has put complete and utter trust in God. We must never forget the words of David: "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me" His Rod and His Staff are of no use if I fear any evil whatsoever.

Ray writes of Fear below:

"Fear NONE of those things which you shall suffer  :): behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that you may be tried; and you shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give you a CROWN OF LIFE" (Rev. 2:10). "To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the TREE OF LIFE [eternal, immortal life]" (Rev. 2:7), "He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11), "And he that overcomes, and keeps my works unto the end, to him will I give POWER OVER THE NATIONS" (Rev. 2;26), "He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment [righteousness] and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life [Christ is the book of life] but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels" (Rev. 3:5), "Him that overcomes will I make a PILLAR [a main and vital support in the very government of Almighty God] IN THE TEMPLE OF MY GOD…" (Rev. 3:12), "To him that overcomes will I grant to SIT WITH ME IN MY THRONE, even as I also overcame [see John 16:33], and am set down with My Father in His throne" (Rev. 3:21).


But the words of Truth cannot be two sided. If we are God's chosen, or if in fact I am as chaff that will be burned, and my life has been ordained in advance to be as such, then I can overcome nothing. There is not a single person here that can "overcome" the will of or purpose of God, unless it is God's will that it  be so, of which of course means one is doing no such thing :)

If man's steps are directed from plans made well in advance, then surely God knows who will overcome and who will not. Just as He knows who He has made himself known too and from whom he has kept himself hidden. Who am I to change anything God has put in place? :)

So this is my take on life as a believer: Trust in God with everything you have, fear not what tomorrow will bring. Be ambassadors of the Spirit and share its fruits with all you meet. Do not worry about food or clothes, they will be provided and walk in constant wonder and amazement, in awe of creation that touches everything we are. And never forget that God is Love and that His Son died so that we may not. It is my contention that we should ALWAYS live in Love, Peace, Confident in the Promise and show good will to all. This is what living as a believer means to me.

We should take comfort in this and live not in fear of what is now, or is to come.

Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?  

So Joe, this might not be what you were expecting, but I believe living as I mention can only be accomplished by the Spirit.

Much love to you and please know that I love you brother,

Comments very welcome :)

In Christ with love,
Darren
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ciy

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2007, 01:06:04 AM »

THE LIFE OF A BELIEVER

Let’s see again just what is involved in living the live of a believer:

"For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. For we are HIS workmanship [Gk: achievement], created in Christ Jesus unto [unto what?] … unto GOOD WORKS, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10). We are not saved by OUR WORKS, but we are preordained to walk in GOD’S GOOD WORKS, nonetheless.

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3;3). Notice that Eph. 2:10 says that we are "created IN Christ." Something new happens when we are "IN" Christ. There is a NEW birth and there is a NEW creation, "Therefore if any man be IN Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE [Gk: creation]: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (II Cor. 5:17). Albeit, this new creation has its perils as we will see in the next verse.
"Yea, and ALL that will live godly in Christ Jesus [as a new and different creature] SHALL SUFFER PERSECUTION." (II Tim. 3:12). This is not just a possibility; it is an absolute PROMISE.
"Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through MUCH TRIBULATION [pressure, afflictions] enter into the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22).

"For if we would JUDGE OURSELVES, we should not be judged. But when we ARE JUDGED, we are CHASTENED [Greek: paideuo, to train, educate, discipline, punish, chastise, instruct, learn, and teach] of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world [at the great white throne judgment]" (I Cor. 11:31-32).

"And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks unto you as unto children, My Son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him. For whom the Lord loves He CHASTENS [Prov. 13:24] AND SCOURGES [see I Pet. 5:9] EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES. But if you be without chastisement, whereof ALL are partakers, then are you ********, and not sons" (Heb. 12:5-8). "Every man’s work shall be made manifest; for the day shall declare it, because it shall be REVEALED BY FIRE; and the fire shall try EVERY MAN’S WORK of what sort it is" (I Cor. 3;13).

"Fear NONE of those things which you shall suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that you may be tried; and you shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give you a CROWN OF LIFE" (Rev. 2:10). "To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the TREE OF LIFE [eternal, immortal life]" (Rev. 2:7), "He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11), "And he that overcomes, and keeps my works unto the end, to him will I give POWER OVER THE NATIONS" (Rev. 2;26), "He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment [righteousness] and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life [Christ is the book of life] but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels" (Rev. 3:5), "Him that overcomes will I make a PILLAR [a main and vital support in the very government of Almighty God] IN THE TEMPLE OF MY GOD…" (Rev. 3:12), "To him that overcomes will I grant to SIT WITH ME IN MY THRONE, even as I also overcame [see John 16:33], and am set down with My Father in His throne" (Rev. 3:21).

There we have a very brief overview of the life of a believer. Is it not obvious that the life of a believer consists of a whole lot more than just "believing" that Jesus is the Christ? God has bigger plans for the human race than just "saving" them. God can "save" chickens, but God doesn’t want chickens for sons! God wants sons that are PERFECT as He is perfect! Wouldn’t you all agree that becoming perfect might just require a whole lot more than singing gospel music once a week? Perfection requires many things that only God can perform in our lives. We are, after all, His workmanship, His achievement. Having ALL OUR WORKS tried in the fire of His Holy Spirit is no small part of becoming perfect.

Darren my friend,
Above I have highlighted everything that is not scripture in blue, I do not see where there is anything from Ray that goes against any scripture.  I am not saying you are wrong I am just saying I do not see anything that is not scriptural.  Please point out, maybe I have missed something.
Thanks
CIY
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YellowStone

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 01:18:38 AM »

Hey CIY,

NEVER did I say or imply that there was ANYTHING unscriptural with Joes Post. :)

I was merely posting a different perspective that was equally Scriptural. I would be much more interested knowing if anything I said was unscriptural.

Thanks so much for your concern, but please know I have the utmost respect for Joe and Ray. :)

Love in Christ our Lord,
Darren
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hillsbororiver

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2007, 08:42:51 AM »


So Joe, this might not be what you were expecting, but I believe living as I mention can only be accomplished by the Spirit.



Oh contrare Darren,  ;D

It is actually exactly what I have come to expect.....  ;)

His Peace to you,

Joe
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Chris R

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2007, 08:56:22 AM »

But the words of Truth cannot be two sided. If we are God's chosen, or if in fact I am as chaff that will be burned, and my life has been ordained in advance to be as such, then I can overcome nothing. There is not a single person here that can "overcome" the will of or purpose of God, unless it is God's will that it  be so, of which of course means one is doing no such thing

If man's steps are directed from plans made well in advance, then surely God knows who will overcome and who will not. Just as He knows who He has made himself known too and from whom he has kept himself hidden. Who am I to change anything God has put in place?



Hi Darren

We must realize a few things...The first is..WE DONT KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS...the second..WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY IDLE WORD.

What then shall we do? Roll up our tents, and move across the river and wait? Just because all of our choices are caused by something does not negate the fact we make those choices.

Paul knew this would cause some doubt. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Rom 9:19  We are to therefore "Run The Race", Knowing full well that God knows the outcome, Why run this race if God knows the outcome?...BECAUSE WE DONT!

Craig, let's go ahead and shut the forum down, Ray, Delete all your teachings, Dennis..go ahead and pull the plug on it all ...because God knows the end from the beginning. Well maybe not just yet!..Paul had another quote.. Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Rom 9:20 

We are not to question God, perhaps a little discernment is in order.

Chris R










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hillsbororiver

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2007, 09:09:16 AM »

What exactly is living "in fear" of the Lord?

It could be that we are frightened and alarmed by God depending where you are in your journey, if you believe in an eternal hell and the god you are familiar with or have been taught to believe is always in a state of foaming at the mouth wrath at those who do not know his name or give up a substantial part of your income to his "messengers/shepherds."

As we learn more about the true nature of our Lord and our Father we are in awe of His plan and purpose for His creation and revere Christ for His perfect sacrifice that eventually unites all of mankind with Him and the Father.

The translation of the original Greek into the English "fear" has tripped up more than a few, if we look to the root we see that "fear" is a pretty narrow definition and that there is more to this word than what first meets the eye.


G5399
φοβέω
phobeō
fob-eh'-o
From G5401; to frighten, that is, (passively) to be alarmed; by analogy to be in awe of, that is, revere: - be (+ sore) afraid, fear (exceedingly), reverence.

His Peace to you,

Joe



 
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hillsbororiver

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2007, 09:12:24 AM »


Excellent point Chris,

His Peace to you,

Joe
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Chris R

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2007, 09:22:14 AM »


Excellent point Chris,

His Peace to you,

Joe

Why Thankyou Joe,

There is comming a day when the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth like the waters cover the seas, But Until then, I Reckon We both will just have to keep "running the race".

Peace to you also Brother

Chris R

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hillsbororiver

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2007, 09:57:40 AM »

 
Here is a portion of LOF Part 8 which is truly "awe" inspiring for those who in hope and prayer seek to be an overcomer and "revere" this wonderful plan of our Lord and God.

http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html

THE SPIRIT PROMISES SPIRITUAL REWARDS TO OVERCOMERS

Jesus Christ tells ALL THE CHURCHES to listen and hear [spiritually understand] what the Spirit says to ALL THE CHURCHES, because everything in the individual churches applies to ALL THE CHURCHES. It is essential that we understand this. All "overcomers" in each of the Seven Churches are given promises of rewards.

We will now see that when one possesses one of these rewards, he will possess ALL OF THEM, for ALL of the rewards are the SAME reward! You heard me correctly with your ears, now "hear" me with your heart of understanding. All of the rewards are the same reward for all of the rewards are CHRIST! What is the "prize" spoken of in the Bible? What is the "crown?" What is our "justification?" What is the "high calling?" What is our hope of "glory?" What is it that Paul wanted to "win?" They are all CHRIST!

The word "overcometh" as used in the KJV is a good word and descriptive of what we are to do. However, "conquers" is a more precise word, and adds the dimension of being "victorious," as in battle, as our Christian walk is most definitely a battle.

Notice what "overcomers or conquerers" in the Seven Churches are promised:

THE CHURCH OF EPHESUS

"To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life" (Rev. 2:7).

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That’s CHRIST.

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and [I am] the LIFE? (John 11:25).

The KJV translates "tree" in this verse from the Greek word xulon. Here is Strong’s definition of xulon: "timber (for fuel or material); by impl. a stick, club or tree or wooden art. or substance … xulon, wood, a piece of wood, anything made of wood." The word "tree" does fit what is spoken of in this verse, but when we come to Rev. 22:2, "tree of life" does not seem to fit as well.

"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life…" (Rev. 22:2).

How do we have one tree of life on BOTH sides of the river?

One translation translates both of these verses as "wood of life." Another has, "log of life." Interestingly, one translation has this footnote, Wood is the primary significance of zulon, and may here denote, as in Rev. xxii, an aggregation of dendra, or trees, commonly called a wood, or forest; a xulon of life, occupying a place on both sides of the river."

What a marvelous word picture God has presented to us in these words. Jesus Christ is first and foremost, "The" [singular] Tree of Life. This is the Tree of Life spoken of in the Garden of Eden. That tree grew out of the earth, just as Jesus (the source of life—from His Father) came in the flesh (the "earth") to bring life (immortality—deathlessness, eternal life) to all humanity. Interestingly, the first time xulon is used in Scripture is where Jesus said,

"For if they do these things in a green [living] tree [Gk: xulon—wood] what shall be done in the dry [dead wood]?" (Luke 23:31).

Jesus Christ is the "green living tree." Jesus met His death by being crucified. The "cross" of Christendom was really a post, pole, or upright stake that is fastened or planted in the ground manually—it did not grow from that spot. It is not a living xulon or wood or tree. Jesus died on a DEAD wood or dead tree.

But Jesus is now raised from the dead and is the Live Tree, the Tree of LIFE. We get a "taste" of this life when God gives us of His Holy Spirit. But we receive only the "ernest" or down payment in this life:

"…you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the ernest of our inheritance UNTIL [at a later date] the redemption of the purchased possession…" (Eph. 1:13b-14).

At the resurrection we will be changed:

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: for we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM, for we shall see Him as He is" (I John 3:2-3).

Jesus also said this:

"As Thou [the Father] has given Him [Jesus] power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life [eonian life, which for the believer includes immortality] to as many as Thou has given Him" (John 17:2).

And so, as Jesus has life in Himself, He will give us that same life. And just as Jesus is the Singlular "Wood [tree] of life," we too will become the Plural "Wood of Life" spoken of in Rev. 22:2. Remember a "wood" is a gathering of trees as in "woods" or "forest." Where do we read of such a gathering of "living trees?"

"And He showed me a pure river of water of life [this is God’s life giving spirit] clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God [the Father has life] and of the Lamb [the Father gives life to Jesus to give to as many as God has given Him]. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river [of life], was there the tree [xulon, wood, or woods or forest] of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations" (Rev 22:1-2).

Jesus is the source of all life because His Father gave Him life to disseminate to others.

"For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given to the son to have LIFE IN HIMSELF" (John 5:26).

So in Revelation 22 we see the river of life flowing from God and Christ, through the middle of the forest of trees of life (that’s US), and we in return "heal the nations" just as Obadiah prophesied of the coming of "saviours" (plural) to Mt. Zion (God’s headquarters of government throne) to judge the nations.

The next segment speaks to the Church in Smyrna....

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe





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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2007, 10:14:40 AM »

But the words of Truth cannot be two sided. If we are God's chosen, or if in fact I am as chaff that will be burned, and my life has been ordained in advance to be as such, then I can overcome nothing. There is not a single person here that can "overcome" the will of or purpose of God, unless it is God's will that it  be so, of which of course means one is doing no such thing

If man's steps are directed from plans made well in advance, then surely God knows who will overcome and who will not. Just as He knows who He has made himself known too and from whom he has kept himself hidden. Who am I to change anything God has put in place?


Hi Darren

We must realize a few things...The first is..WE DONT KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS...the second..WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY IDLE WORD.

What then shall we do? Roll up our tents, and move across the river and wait? Just because all of our choices are caused by something does not negate the fact we make those choices.

Paul knew this would cause some doubt. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Rom 9:19  We are to therefore "Run The Race", Knowing full well that God knows the outcome, Why run this race if God knows the outcome?...BECAUSE WE DONT!

Craig, let's go ahead and shut the forum down, Ray, Delete all your teachings, Dennis..go ahead and pull the plug on it all ...because God knows the end from the beginning. Well maybe not just yet!..Paul had another quote.. Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Rom 9:20 

We are not to question God, perhaps a little discernment is in order.

Chris R


Hi Chris and Joe :)

I wish to thank you both for your discerning answers. If you cannot tell, I was playing devils advocate and you both gave the answer I was looking for. :)

Joe, you said it exacltly right by saying: "Is it not obvious that the life of a believer consists of a whole lot more than just "believing" that Jesus is the Christ? God has bigger plans for the human race than just "saving" them. God can "save" chickens, but God doesn’t want chickens for sons! God wants sons that are PERFECT as He is perfect! Wouldn’t you all agree that becoming perfect might just require a whole lot more than singing gospel music once a week? Perfection "

Living as a believer MUST mean the Spirit and ALL of it's FRUITS permeate our entire life, that is all that we think, say or do. There can be no such thing as a part time believer. Of course there is no one alive who is yet perfect, and we will invariably stumble at times, yet we must never stop trying. As Chris said so well, we must NEVER stop running to win. :)

Chris,

Your response was priceless :) And I agree with everything you wrote. Does it not fall in well with my following words.

Trust in God with everything you have, fear not what tomorrow will bring. Be ambassadors of the Spirit and share its fruits with all you meet. Do not worry about food or clothes, they will be provided and walk in constant wonder and amazement, in awe of creation that touches everything we are. And never forget that God is Love and that His Son died so that we may not. It is my contention that we should ALWAYS live in Love, Peace, Confident in the Promise and show good will to all.

I do not believe that you will find anything to disagree in the above text. For this IS what living as believer means to me. NOT that "I" can't stop and sit at the edge of the road, BUT BECAUSE THE SPIRIT HAS REMOVED ANY SUCH DESIRE!!!  :)

This is of course no small thing, yet how could it be any other way.  God is a believers Rod and Staff and we are to ALWAYS wear the entire armor that God provides his true believers.

Eph 6:13  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15  And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16  Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18  Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Yet I believe the last verse in this Scripture, is the Key. We as yet carnal man, living in a hostile world must always pray, for discernment, wisdom, strength and perhaps above all, any chastisement when needed in order to overcome anything. We are helpless on our own.

I wish you both a blessed day with Him,

Darren
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DuluthGA

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2007, 07:10:50 PM »

Just a brief edifying note on the "wheat and the chaff" that I learned recently from Ray... sorry I can't site where, but I'm fairly sure of this:

They aren't two different types of people, instead, as in the physical, the wheat and the chaff are combined on the same plant, and the chaff (debris in us) must get separated/burned away from us, the wheat.  The implication would be everyone in their own order, first the elect then ALL of the great harvest eventually.

Thank you for this topic!


We are heaven bound!  :)
Janice 
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hillsbororiver

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2007, 07:21:58 PM »

Hi Janice,

You are right, the wheat (spiritual sons and daughters) are what remains from burning off the chaff (the carnal, natural man).

Now the wheat and the tares are an entirely different story;

From Lazarus and the Rich Man


http://bible-truths.com/lazarus.html

WHY PARABLES?

When one looks at all the parables, as they are "literally" written they really are of little spiritual value, and often are physiological impossibilities, or don’t tell us things we didn’t already know.

Look at the parable of the tares: A man sews good seed. An enemy sews tares. A servant suggests they pull out the tares. The owner suggests that would pull out the good wheat as well.. So he says to wait till harvest and then separate the wheat from the tares, (Mat. 13:24-30). None of the parables are to be understood in their literal language. Some, like Lazarus and the Rich man, are physiological impossibilities if taken literally.

Interestingly, this parable of the tares can be taken literally. That is it makes sense even in its literal language, and does not contradict other Scriptures.

However, it was not meant to be taken literally, and if we take this parable "literally," what do we learn? Quite frankly, not much. Are you suggesting that Christ wasted His time giving little household hints and horticultural tips? Like, how to weed your garden? Come on.

When Christ explains this parable to His disciples, it takes on enormous meaning never even suggested in the "literal" story. Parables are in some ways like fine poetry. Marvelous word pictures having giant spiritual applications and ramifications can be presented with very few words, AND, it is God’s purpose to conceal many of the truths of His Kingdom except to those to whom it is given to understand.

See the spiritual application of Matt. 14:37-43:

The "sower" is none less than the Son of man.

The "field" is the world.

The "good seed" are the children of the Kingdom of God.

The "tares" are the children of the wicked one (Satan).

The "harvest" is the end of the age.

Now that’s some pretty heavy stuff! This is no horticultural tip for would be farmers. I have already shown how utterly ludicrous it is to try and take Lararus and the Rich man literally, not to mention totally unscriptural..

Christ is not telling us about some "one" individual rich man and some "one" insignificant beggar in the street. Look at that parable of the "tares" again. Literally it is nothing. But what it represents in figurative and symbolic language is awesome. It has to do with the operations of God, Satan, millions of people and the very end of this age.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe


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YellowStone

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 08:34:13 PM »


So Joe, this might not be what you were expecting, but I believe living as I mention can only be accomplished by the Spirit.



Oh contrare Darren,  ;D

It is actually exactly what I have come to expect.....  ;)

His Peace to you,

Joe


Thanks Joe, I only just seen your post. :)

Love to you Christ,
Darren
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skydreamers

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2007, 02:51:40 AM »

Hi Joe, thank you for posting that segment on "The Spirit promises spiritual rewards to overcomers"...I clearly remember reading this before but this time I "saw" so much more...wow, this never ceases to amaze me.  This kind of thing only confirms for me how God reveals things in increments as we are able to bear it.  In order to accept and embrace Jesus fully we must come to know him fully, and this just can't be done all at once.  The life of a believer is a process of growth.  Awesome.

Peace,
Diana
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hillsbororiver

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Re: The Life Of A Believer
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2007, 08:42:47 AM »

Hi Diana,

What you stated has been my experience exactly, the more I read and reread the articles with scriptures by my side I keep seeing things that I did not see before. I also discover many interesting nuggets as I veer off reading all of the Chapter that Ray quotes from, often times finding stuff totally unrelated to the article but His treasure all the same.

His Peace to you,

Joe
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