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The Life Of A Believer
Chris R:
But the words of Truth cannot be two sided. If we are God's chosen, or if in fact I am as chaff that will be burned, and my life has been ordained in advance to be as such, then I can overcome nothing. There is not a single person here that can "overcome" the will of or purpose of God, unless it is God's will that it be so, of which of course means one is doing no such thing
If man's steps are directed from plans made well in advance, then surely God knows who will overcome and who will not. Just as He knows who He has made himself known too and from whom he has kept himself hidden. Who am I to change anything God has put in place?
Hi Darren
We must realize a few things...The first is..WE DONT KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS...the second..WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY IDLE WORD.
What then shall we do? Roll up our tents, and move across the river and wait? Just because all of our choices are caused by something does not negate the fact we make those choices.
Paul knew this would cause some doubt. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Rom 9:19 We are to therefore "Run The Race", Knowing full well that God knows the outcome, Why run this race if God knows the outcome?...BECAUSE WE DONT!
Craig, let's go ahead and shut the forum down, Ray, Delete all your teachings, Dennis..go ahead and pull the plug on it all ...because God knows the end from the beginning. Well maybe not just yet!..Paul had another quote.. Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Rom 9:20
We are not to question God, perhaps a little discernment is in order.
Chris R
hillsbororiver:
What exactly is living "in fear" of the Lord?
It could be that we are frightened and alarmed by God depending where you are in your journey, if you believe in an eternal hell and the god you are familiar with or have been taught to believe is always in a state of foaming at the mouth wrath at those who do not know his name or give up a substantial part of your income to his "messengers/shepherds."
As we learn more about the true nature of our Lord and our Father we are in awe of His plan and purpose for His creation and revere Christ for His perfect sacrifice that eventually unites all of mankind with Him and the Father.
The translation of the original Greek into the English "fear" has tripped up more than a few, if we look to the root we see that "fear" is a pretty narrow definition and that there is more to this word than what first meets the eye.
G5399
φοβέω
phobeō
fob-eh'-o
From G5401; to frighten, that is, (passively) to be alarmed; by analogy to be in awe of, that is, revere: - be (+ sore) afraid, fear (exceedingly), reverence.
His Peace to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
Excellent point Chris,
His Peace to you,
Joe
Chris R:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on August 13, 2007, 06:12:24 AM ---
Excellent point Chris,
His Peace to you,
Joe
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Why Thankyou Joe,
There is comming a day when the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth like the waters cover the seas, But Until then, I Reckon We both will just have to keep "running the race".
Peace to you also Brother
Chris R
hillsbororiver:
Here is a portion of LOF Part 8 which is truly "awe" inspiring for those who in hope and prayer seek to be an overcomer and "revere" this wonderful plan of our Lord and God.
http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html
THE SPIRIT PROMISES SPIRITUAL REWARDS TO OVERCOMERS
Jesus Christ tells ALL THE CHURCHES to listen and hear [spiritually understand] what the Spirit says to ALL THE CHURCHES, because everything in the individual churches applies to ALL THE CHURCHES. It is essential that we understand this. All "overcomers" in each of the Seven Churches are given promises of rewards.
We will now see that when one possesses one of these rewards, he will possess ALL OF THEM, for ALL of the rewards are the SAME reward! You heard me correctly with your ears, now "hear" me with your heart of understanding. All of the rewards are the same reward for all of the rewards are CHRIST! What is the "prize" spoken of in the Bible? What is the "crown?" What is our "justification?" What is the "high calling?" What is our hope of "glory?" What is it that Paul wanted to "win?" They are all CHRIST!
The word "overcometh" as used in the KJV is a good word and descriptive of what we are to do. However, "conquers" is a more precise word, and adds the dimension of being "victorious," as in battle, as our Christian walk is most definitely a battle.
Notice what "overcomers or conquerers" in the Seven Churches are promised:
THE CHURCH OF EPHESUS
"To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life" (Rev. 2:7).
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That’s CHRIST.
"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and [I am] the LIFE? (John 11:25).
The KJV translates "tree" in this verse from the Greek word xulon. Here is Strong’s definition of xulon: "timber (for fuel or material); by impl. a stick, club or tree or wooden art. or substance … xulon, wood, a piece of wood, anything made of wood." The word "tree" does fit what is spoken of in this verse, but when we come to Rev. 22:2, "tree of life" does not seem to fit as well.
"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life…" (Rev. 22:2).
How do we have one tree of life on BOTH sides of the river?
One translation translates both of these verses as "wood of life." Another has, "log of life." Interestingly, one translation has this footnote, Wood is the primary significance of zulon, and may here denote, as in Rev. xxii, an aggregation of dendra, or trees, commonly called a wood, or forest; a xulon of life, occupying a place on both sides of the river."
What a marvelous word picture God has presented to us in these words. Jesus Christ is first and foremost, "The" [singular] Tree of Life. This is the Tree of Life spoken of in the Garden of Eden. That tree grew out of the earth, just as Jesus (the source of life—from His Father) came in the flesh (the "earth") to bring life (immortality—deathlessness, eternal life) to all humanity. Interestingly, the first time xulon is used in Scripture is where Jesus said,
"For if they do these things in a green [living] tree [Gk: xulon—wood] what shall be done in the dry [dead wood]?" (Luke 23:31).
Jesus Christ is the "green living tree." Jesus met His death by being crucified. The "cross" of Christendom was really a post, pole, or upright stake that is fastened or planted in the ground manually—it did not grow from that spot. It is not a living xulon or wood or tree. Jesus died on a DEAD wood or dead tree.
But Jesus is now raised from the dead and is the Live Tree, the Tree of LIFE. We get a "taste" of this life when God gives us of His Holy Spirit. But we receive only the "ernest" or down payment in this life:
"…you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the ernest of our inheritance UNTIL [at a later date] the redemption of the purchased possession…" (Eph. 1:13b-14).
At the resurrection we will be changed:
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: for we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM, for we shall see Him as He is" (I John 3:2-3).
Jesus also said this:
"As Thou [the Father] has given Him [Jesus] power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life [eonian life, which for the believer includes immortality] to as many as Thou has given Him" (John 17:2).
And so, as Jesus has life in Himself, He will give us that same life. And just as Jesus is the Singlular "Wood [tree] of life," we too will become the Plural "Wood of Life" spoken of in Rev. 22:2. Remember a "wood" is a gathering of trees as in "woods" or "forest." Where do we read of such a gathering of "living trees?"
"And He showed me a pure river of water of life [this is God’s life giving spirit] clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God [the Father has life] and of the Lamb [the Father gives life to Jesus to give to as many as God has given Him]. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river [of life], was there the tree [xulon, wood, or woods or forest] of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations" (Rev 22:1-2).
Jesus is the source of all life because His Father gave Him life to disseminate to others.
"For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given to the son to have LIFE IN HIMSELF" (John 5:26).
So in Revelation 22 we see the river of life flowing from God and Christ, through the middle of the forest of trees of life (that’s US), and we in return "heal the nations" just as Obadiah prophesied of the coming of "saviours" (plural) to Mt. Zion (God’s headquarters of government throne) to judge the nations.
The next segment speaks to the Church in Smyrna....
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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