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dawnnnny:
Hi Bambam,
I understand how you feel. My response was to Student D's post of his experience but reading over what I wrote - you know it does sound kind of harsh and for that I apologize. I think we get a little passionate about bad experiences and forget that we are to love these people because after all, we were once there, some are still there, some of us just left there and some have been gone for longer periods of time.
I emailed Ray one time about not going to church (I didn't belong to one and felt "guilty") and he said "attending church is a personal decision" and that was the correct response on his part. I am far from many people who've been studying these things for much longer than I, but in my humble opinion, you shouldn't march out of church just because of what you've read here. That is something that God in His infinite wisdom will advise you on in His time.
Your email was humbling to me. Thank you for that.
Have a wonderfully blessed day!!!
Dawn :)
LittleBear:
Well said Dawn. :)
Bambam, you have to do what you feel is right. You can't be doing something because someone else says so , or because you are feeling pressured.
You've been reading some amazing things here. The things you read here are very different than what you hear from your pastor. Can you be at peace with that? Perhaps you can be a light to them.
Love,
Ursula
gmik:
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Yes we all know not all churches are like that, but there are a whole bunch that are!!!
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I DID say that Bambam. This topic has been touched on several times w/ loads of opinions both ways. Read some of the old threads.
Not to anyone but just my thoughts:
Even the nice sweet little churches believe in a Jesus who only died for those who say a 5 second sentence and torture all the rest for ever!!! Try this litmus test: Tell them there is no hell and Jesus died for ALL!!! See if they can handle that and you in love ;)
Those w/ an intimacy w/ the Lord will know His voice and know when the time to leave church is. That is NOT the same thing as leaving babylon.
Personally, I stayed in church for about 8 months after coming to BT. Then I just couldn't listen to that stuff anymore and knew I had to leave. It was hard bcz my daughter, son in law and grand daughter go there and we liked to go out and eat afterward. I stayed awhile just for that reason. :D Now, I have twin grandsons( ;D) who will be going there, and probably will get "dedicated" and of course I will attend then. (but it is at night and only for that not a service).
Thank goodness we are not under the law! Each of us is being led in our own journey that the Lord has planned for us. There is no condemnation toward us! Praise God!
(Like Dawn, more of my 30 years of experience has been of the churches like D talks about.)
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D Student:
BamBam,
Please don't take what I said as an attack on Good People who respect & Love others
that go to Church. I wrote what I did, just to point out the lengths people go to while Brainwashing this
Generation. Try to Understand this... This Pastor for example, knows very well why most of
the Teens/young Adults today don't go to Church. So he takes what they will except in the World and place it in HIS Church so they won't feel out of place.
I'm sure YOUR Church has Wonderful people who have Love & Respect for others and I'm also sure there are many other Temples that do as well. But does that make things right??? Be careful,,, you should already know what your HEART will lead you to believe.
1John 2:4 - " But if we claim to KNOW HIM and DON"T OBEY HIM,
we are LYING and the TRUTH isn't in our HEARTS. "
" You Fools, You Hypocrites, You Snakes!!! " Does that sound familiar?
In my neighborhood alone, there has lived close to a dozen Pastors and I don't think ANY of them
where/are evil SNAKES. Good guys, with family, friends, dogs, cats, " Howdy neighbor " and the smiles to go with it all. But that could only leave me to believe, these great people, are the FOOLS, they are the
Hypocrites... They still follow in the teaching of, Love your enemy and help the less fortunate, but later on, they're sorry to tell ya', " yup, there's a HELL and Majority of the Earth will go there. "
Why continue going to ANY CHURCH/TEMPLE ?????????????
Hebrews 9:11 - " Christ came as the HIGH PRIEST of the GOOD THINGS that are NOW here.
He also went to a BETTER TENT that was not made by HUMANS
and doesn't belong to THIS WORLD. "
If that's not GOOD enough, I guess the Super Friendly Chuch down the street is the right place to be...
I say/write this with TRUTH & LOVE <--- D Student
Kat:
Hi BamBam,
I think I understand the difficulty you must be facing. You love the people of the church you attend, but now you are being torn by this truths you are learning.
You should consider this, are you attending your church just for the fellowship or does the teaching you are receiving there not matter. I attended a Baptist church for many years and their teachings are far from the truth.
They surely may be good people, but if they are blinded to the truth, what are you gaining from all those sermons you are hearing. But there may come a time when you can no longer tolerate their teachings and then you will be willing to leave that fellowship for the sake of the truth.
2Cor 6:14 Do not try to work together as equals with unbelievers, for it cannot be done. How can right and wrong be partners? How can light and darkness live together? (GNB)
You see we have all been where you are, in a church with people that we cared about. We can relate to your situation. But you can't separate the church from their teachings, so you have to separate from the church.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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