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A New Heart, A New Spirit
Brett:
Good post, Joe. I understand the meaning of God's cause and man have no free will. But these verses you brought is difficult understand or puzzle me, see my bolds:
--- Quote ---Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh and will give them a heart of flesh:
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and I will give you a heart of flesh.
--- End quote ---
Is that about future of resurrection? Because it said "new spirit", similar as resurrection with spiritual body. But these verses looks like resurrection with flesh to me. I know that in N.T. said that no flesh and blood will into enter Kingdom of God. Flesh has to be destroyed first then new spiritual body. But Ezek. 11:19;36:26? It can't be resurrection with flesh, it must be something else than is about resurrection, does it? Like parable or something?
Brett
Robin:
--- Quote ---Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh and will give them a heart of flesh:
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and I will give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and ye shall keep my judgments and do them.
What do these verses mean to you?
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I can't explain what the verses mean to me, but they are very important to me and have been the hope that helped me endure. God gave me those verses as a promise when all I could see at the time was the smoking Mt Sinai and the law I could not keep. 50 days after the first passover was the giving of the law. 50 days after Christ's death was the giving of the Spirit. We are sealed and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts if we are the elect. I believe Ray says this is a deposit of that which is to come. I think he said it on one of his audios. I experienced slavery like that in Egypt, the great falling away when looking at the law and a glimpse of the promised land through the verses. The verses represent hope in the wilderness to me.
Zechariah 7
9Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:
10And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.
11But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
12Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.
13Therefore it is come to pass, that as he cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the LORD of hosts:
14But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations whom they knew not. Thus the land was desolate after them, that no man passed through nor returned: for they laid the pleasant land desolate.
2 Corinthians 3:2-4
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Hebrews 8:10 and Jeremiah 31:32-34
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Hebrews 10
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
2 Corinthians 1:
21Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Hebrews 12
18For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29For our God is a consuming fire.
hillsbororiver:
Thank you Everyone for your responses,
I don't have the time to respond to all of you presently but I would like to tackle Brett's question, Beloved made a great point about the "second flesh" spoken of in these verses.
--- Quote from: Brett on August 19, 2007, 11:17:18 PM ---Good post, Joe. I understand the meaning of God's cause and man have no free will. But these verses you brought is difficult understand or puzzle me, see my bolds:
--- Quote ---Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh and will give them a heart of flesh:
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and I will give you a heart of flesh.
--- End quote ---
Is that about future of resurrection? Because it said "new spirit", similar as resurrection with spiritual body. But these verses looks like resurrection with flesh to me. I know that in N.T. said that no flesh and blood will into enter Kingdom of God. Flesh has to be destroyed first then new spiritual body. But Ezek. 11:19;36:26? It can't be resurrection with flesh, it must be something else than is about resurrection, does it? Like parable or something?
Brett
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What we are given now is the earnest728 of His Spirit, remember Ray writing about how in this flesh we are not born again we are conceived again in His Spirit. You are right Brett, flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom (but we receive a down payment), that inheritence is paid in full at resurrection.
G728
ἀῤῥαβών
arrhabōn
ar-hrab-ohn'
Of Hebrew origin [H6162]; a pledge, that is, part of the purchase money or property given in advance as security for the rest: - earnest.
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us and given the earnest728 of the Spirit in our hearts.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest728 of the Spirit.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Chris R:
Hi Joe,
I like so many others have a much lighter heart concerning all of makind, And look at everyone differently than i did just a few yeas ago.
It is the second half of this verse i find facinating, and revealing.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and ye shall keep my judgments and do them.
Not only are we caused to walk in Gods statutes, Not only are we caused to keep his judgements..BUT..We are caused to DO THEM...
When is it that we keep his judgements?..But even more than that..When is it that we must DO these judgements?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? [1Cor 6:2]
A thought to ponder.
Chris R.
hillsbororiver:
Hi Chris,
Interesting point you raise, could this be what Malachi is speaking about here?
Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD and that thought upon his name.
Mal 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Mal 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
This process of discernment starting at our conception (by His Spirit), growing as we journey with Him as we interact with the brethren, finally culminating to full maturity at the resurrection to immortality , do you see this too?
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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