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Question - Matt 10 - need an answer
Triton:
Hi All,
I just registered and am happy to be here.
I'm a South African living in Taiwan where as far as my friends go, I'm the only one who believes in the way
that the people here on the forum do - I'll tell you, it gets a bit lonely sometime.
Anyway, I have been reading quite a bit as a guest and after not finding an answer to a specific question,
I decided to join to ask you guys in the hope that someone might help me out with a question.
Well, I'll fire away with my question. I read in Matthew 10:26-33 where it states that we should fear him
who could kill both body and SOUL.
Now, I quite understand the body part, but not the SOUL part.
The body will die, right?
Can the soul also die too? I'm under impression it can't. But, then this scripture.
I've been reading Ray's teachings. Not all, but most. It's taking me a very long
time seeing that I tend to stop and let it all just sink in over time before continuing.
I would highly appreciate it if someone here could explain this scripture and how to "harmonize" it with the rest.
Well, OK, that's it. Don't want to write too much.
Everyone take care
Paul
Chris R:
Hi Paul
Eze 18:20 "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."
Pretty straight forward, Keep reading Rays Site, there are many answers to your questions.
Kat Can find you the place were Ray goes over that very verse.
Peace
Chris R
Kat:
Hi Paul,
I'm glad you have joined us :)
Good question, because it does seem a bit confusing what is being said.
Here is a excerpt from the Hell part C, 'THE ORIGIN OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT.'
I think this will answer you question.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html ----------------
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in gehenna" (Matt. 10:28).
IMMORTAL SOUL?
I am now going to show you how to be smarter and more knowledgeable than most theologians in the world—(at least in this one little point). Okay; follow very closely, for we are going to get really really technical for a few minutes:
First: Can God "destroy the body?" Well, yes, of course He can, Jesus just said that He "is ABLE." So God "IS able to destroy the body." Now, I believe Jesus. I think that most of you believe Jesus. But, do orthodox pastors and theologians, believe Jesus? Yes, from all that I know, they do believe Jesus on this point.
Next: Can God "destroy the soul?" Well, yes, of course He can, Jesus just said that He "is ABLE." So God "IS able to destroy the soul." Now, I believe Jesus. I think that (some of) you believe Jesus. But, do orthodox pastors and theologians, believe Jesus? No, of course not. How can a soul which they teach is immortal, ever be "destroyed?" Now let’s proceed to some more "technical stuff":
God created humanity in two stages, not three (Gen. 2:7):
[1] "And the Lord God formed man [Heb: ‘adam, a human being’] of the dust [Heb: ‘aphar, powdered gray, hence clay’] of the ground [Heb: ‘adamah, soil’]
[2] "and breathed into his nostrils the breath [Heb: ‘n’shahmah, puff, wind’] of life [Heb: ‘chay, alive, life, living’] and man became [Heb: ‘hayah, exist, be, become, come to pass’] a living [Heb: ‘chay, alive, life, living’] soul [Heb: ‘nephesh, a breathing creature, animal, vitality, mind, mortality’]."
Well, there you have it: God’s abbreviated version of how He created humanity.
Let me next draw your attention to something that few Christians have ever seen, even though it is right before their eyes in every Bible on earth. I said that God created man in two stages rather than three. I emphasize this because theology teaches that God made man in three stages. Here is their unscriptural version: First God formed the man of the ground, Second God breathed life into the man, and Third God put an immortal soul into the man. If you doubt that this is what they teach, ask your pastor.
However, did we read of these fabled three stages of man’s creation in the Scripture quoted above? No, no we didn’t. We read of two things in man’s creation at the hands of God. First God formed the man of the ground, Second God breathed life into the man, and Third God…? God what? There ain’t no Third. "man became a living soul" is part of stage Two. There is no third stage. God did not "put an immortal soul into the man." Where do we read of such unscriptural nonsense?
God didn’t need to do anything after He breathed into him the breathe of life. It was the breath of life from God that caused the man to become a living soul. God didn’t put a soul into Adam; Adam is a living soul. The spirit of man, which God gives to every human, is like a light switch—Switch it ‘on’ and the light glows: Switch it ‘off’ and the light is dark, gone, dead. Put the spirit in the man, and the man is a living soul: take the spirit out of the man, and the man is a dead soul. Do you think that even your children could understand this Scriptural Truth? Perhaps you should teach them, and then they could teach your pastor.
The "body" of the deceased is gone forever. In resurrection to immortality, God gives everyone a new spiritual body. God can bring back the person in any "body" He desires. When God puts your "spirit" (not you soul) but your spirit (which has no consciousness) back into another body (as in a resurrection with a new spiritual body), the same real person/soul will live again. God can do this, but man can’t, so fear God.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Triton:
Hi Chris & Kat,
Thank you for the quick reply!
Kat I read the article you posted here. That explains it well thanks. I'll take some time to ponder
over it as I do with most teaching here - needs to sink in and settle well.
I am working my way through Ray's teaching while at the same time filling my Bible with notes.
I really appreciate your helping with my question here.
Take care
Paul
gmik:
Hi Paul!!
Great Question. I needed a quick refresher on that very question.
Would love to hear your "story".
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