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insanezenmistress:
    does mister Ray speak about this?  It is somthing i have to deal with ALL THE TIME.   ;)       
       I think we need to be carefull. While it is liberating and wonderfull to realise we are called out, and it is devestating to see "the many" out there still, i personally have to listen to God scold me about getting stuck in that place.........which morphs into spiritaul pride.

       When i start listening to preachers, so that i might ferret out their falsness instead of listening to the Spirit use the words. Or when i try to "listen FOR" someone...........meaning i hear the teaching and think about it in terms of if only so and so could apply it  the way the SPirit reveals it to me. 

       Or get stuck in one interpretation and concider all the others presented as obviously false, and cant see that the word presented may be being clarified and interpreted to another FOR THEM by god useing the words as spoken.

         the Bible tells us to beware lest we fall and pride goes before destruction, i wonder if anyone else........after taking in a bunch of new truth  and reveling in it, have immediately fallen once they started to try to interpret it for someone else, wether mentally or physically.

          what that means if i havent typed clearly is.....

          When we learn a truth we try to possess that truth  but it is not ours to possess or ours to make others conform to. And when we try we run the risk of loseing what we have.

           If this is a suitable topic, and not my own teaching or not according to ray's, let me know.......i would sure like some encoragement and study to be more aware of being taken down by smuggness and pride. Ps. to those who have been very very nice to me.......said nice things, thank you..........but i was almost trapped in my said pride, Jesus smacked me around a bit then i asked him if i could post about pride and see what we ( really I) can learn from eachother.
       

Sue Creamer:
Hello,

I have always believed "PRIDE" was what happened inside of us when "WE" were pumped up about something "WE" take credit for (right or wrong)...things such as "our new cars", "our kids", "our good looks" , "our IQ", etc, etc.....(things we have only because of God's goodness).  I don't believe we have pride about "GOD'S TRUTH" when we know we didn't acquire it on our own, we were actually dragged to the truth...and until God opens our minds, it is alien to our carnal minds.  I think what you are saying then is that the pride you may feel is not because we have truth, but it is because we are human and our carnal minds like to feel we have something (anything) someone else doesn't, which can make a person feel superior..(pumped up)

I don't know about anyone else in this forum but I don't feel "PRIDE" for what God is giving me, if anything I am brought low, humbled even to the point of frustration because, yes, maybe I can state my new beliefs to those around me (I do want to share the "joy" I feel) but I don't even have enough training in the scriptures (yet) to give what is in my heart...!!!  There are others who do have that training and  they can "teach" but I am not so easily swayed that if they are being called, chosen, and faithful, that  pride is what they are experiencing.  Is there such a thing as good "pride" ????  I don't think so.   

I appreciate your post..it has made me think deeply, I hope my thoughts have not come across as harsh and I stand to be corrected if needed....!!   

Peace
Sue Ann


 

insanezenmistress:
i can cirtenly see your side of the thing.  And maybe my pride issue has to do with oh goody goody the lord gave this or that to me. but i think my pride issue also has to do with wanting to ............erm how to say it.......(perhaps pride is not even the issue)..........say.......i baked a great cake that someone gave me the recipe for, and i want to share that cake, maybe alittle to be told how well i baked that cake ( regular pride), but i AM humble and acknoledge that the cake was not my idea, but i am proud of the cake proud of the fine receipe and start to thinking

other cakes are not as good as the one i recieved.....then i start compareing everyones cake to the recipie given to me.

What i over look in that kind of pride is that the recipe giver has also give them their recipies and i am missing out on alot of cake goodness because their recipeis did not have exactly 1.5 cups of sugar like mine did.

so yes it is pride but no it isnt really lack of humility.
(meaning i do realise its not me it is HIS wonderfull truth but i want everyone to have a slice of my cake too) maybe it is bosting and that is another kind of pride...........argh .........

Sue Creamer:
Yes, that is a word that fits...BOASTING!!!   I don't think you are feeling pride when you talk about wanting to share your new found knowledge and comparing a cake to the one and only "Truth" is not really an equal comparison.   Yeah, I would say I have had pride when I compare my "Death by Chocolate Cake" to other inferior cakes..(kidding of course)!! 
Sue Ann

insanezenmistress:
ok........except. i am not talking about my truth (god/bible) compared to the world. i am talking about amoung christians. and esp with those christians who are in the "regular church". (not all curches are "word of faith movement" or not seeking god....although many and most are teaching man's doctrines not all the sermons are without cakeyness)

I am talking about my pastor who does love Jesus and teaches to "make him lord of our lives".........althought he may be lost or confused in what he learned in Seminary he still seeks the Lord and shepards a flock....

not all his words are wrong, not all his interpretations of scripture are wrong......they may be alot weaker than they ought to be, BECAUSE of the limiting errors but people who seek truth can find some of it there.

my post about my pride has to do with how i respond to him and other christians.  What if i am sitting amunst them thinking "oh i know better than you"  even if i am saying "oh lord thank you for giveing me more of your word" its not about not being gratefull for god's truth or his revelation......it is about the attitude i weild His sword with.

my cake is an understanding of scripture thanks to god and his agents.
but this does not mean my pastor has no cake or that his cake is not from god to him where he is at in his understanding.

and my pride would be wrong then, i'd have prejudged my pastor.

(well then i am alittle different  i feel i was to be in my church, yet not in babylon worship)

(sorry for all the allagory and metaphor and stuff , its just how i work out what i am trying to say or ask....i wish this was a runing chat room, then my weirdness would not be left behind to be seen of untold hundreds....be a while before i get this forum thing straight......i have never been an active member of a good forum .......shhhhhhhhhh shhhhhhhhhhh its not a chat room...........bbl)

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