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Numbering His People
bobf:
Awesome stuff guys. And athiests wonder why we believe the scriptures are the Word of God! It's amazing to see these types and shadows recorded way back in Genesis.
I'd be interested in hearing your interpretations of this parable (I see this a related to your posts).
Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
What are each of these symbols?
[1] the seed
[2] the man
[3] the tree
[4] the birds of the air
Can we find two witnesses for each symbol? Could be fun. I have in mind roughly how I understand it just from my general understanding, but I have not looked for two witnesses.
bobf:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on August 27, 2007, 09:01:34 AM ---Interesting stuff Bob & rocky,
This just got me to thinking once again about types/shadows, firstfruits/fall harvest....
Could this remnant be showing that we are composed of "beast, spirit of antichrist and the Spirit of Christ" within us? That 2 out these 3 need to be burned away by God's consuming fire either in this age or the ages to come?
Could it also at the same time be a parable showing first a few then the many entering His Kingdom?
Just speculating here, thank you both for the thought provoking posts!
His Peace to you,
Joe
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I don't know what those three parts are, but I think you're right on the one part (Spirit of Christ) but I'm not as sure about the other two. How is "the beast" any different from "the spirit of antichrist"?
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: bobf on August 27, 2007, 05:22:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on August 27, 2007, 09:01:34 AM ---Interesting stuff Bob & rocky,
This just got me to thinking once again about types/shadows, firstfruits/fall harvest....
Could this remnant be showing that we are composed of "beast, spirit of antichrist and the Spirit of Christ" within us? That 2 out these 3 need to be burned away by God's consuming fire either in this age or the ages to come?
Could it also at the same time be a parable showing first a few then the many entering His Kingdom?
Just speculating here, thank you both for the thought provoking posts!
His Peace to you,
Joe
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I'm don't know what the three parts are. I think you're right on the one part (Spirit of Christ) but less sure about the other two. How is "the beast" any different from "the spirit of antichrist" so as to compose two parts?
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Hi Bob,
Again this being what one third is in regard to "remnant" is speculation on my part but the natural man is primarily a beast, like any other beast but antichrist is a false religion, worshipping an idol of our heart, believing we can thwart the will of God or that He is bound by our thoughts and actions.
Where would a simple beast come up with this idea? From the same source that deceived Eve, the serpent, the dragon, satan himself.
Rev 13:4 And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
We were born beasts, but when we became spiritual (found our first love in Christ) we were no longer simple beasts we became spiritual creatures too, but when we lost our first love we become spiritual beasts (children of satan) and antichrists, we will remain that way until He drags us back to begin and complete the purging and refining (in His time).
The Spirit of Christ overcomes and refines the beast (through His Spirit) into a new (spiritual) creature.
Unbelievers have the beast within.
The called have the beast's wound healed by the spirit of antichrist.
The chosen have the Spirit of Christ battling (and overcoming) the wounded beast and antichrist within them.
This is how I am understanding this right now.
His Peace to you,
Joe
bobf:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on August 27, 2007, 06:27:38 PM ---Hi Bob,
Again this being what one third is in regard to "remnant" is speculation on my part but the natural man is primarily a beast, like any other beast but antichrist is a false religion, worshipping an idol of our heart, believing we can thwart the will of God or that He is bound by our thoughts and actions.
Where would a simple beast come up with this idea? From the same source that deceived Eve, the serpent, the dragon, satan himself.
Rev 13:4 And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
We were born beasts, but when we became spiritual (found our first love in Christ) we were no longer simple beasts we became spiritual creatures too, but when we lost our first love we become spiritual beasts (children of satan) and antichrists, we will remain that way until He drags us back to begin and complete the purging and refining (in His time).
The Spirit of Christ overcomes and refines the beast (through His Spirit) into a new (spiritual) creature.
Unbelievers have the beast within.
The called have the beast's wound healed by the spirit of antichrist.
The chosen have the Spirit of Christ battling (and overcoming) the wounded beast and antichrist within them.
This is how I am understanding this right now.
His Peace to you,
Joe
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Ok, gotcha Joe, thanks you made that crystal clear. That healing of the beast reminds me of this verse.
Jeremiah 6:13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. 14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
Sounds to me like healing the deadly wound through a false prophecy of "peace, peace". I can not help but think of the sinners prayer and eternal security doctrine when reading this. Say your prayer, and your home free. Peace is assured, no need to overcome, no need to obey Christ.
Perhaps these are the same two parts right here?
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Blessing,
Bob
hillsbororiver:
Hi Bob,
Jeremiah 6:13 really jumped at me, I had never seen this way or it never registered in the light you have presented it in, healing the wound (collectively) of the flock/church. Good observation!
False prophet(s) being inspired by the spirit of antichrist is very credible as it was Christ Himself who inspired the Words of His own prophets and the Lord even referred to Himself as a Prophet.
Mat 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country and in his own house.
In Satan's counterfeit I can see a cloudy mirrored image of this.
The prophets of the Synagogue of Satan would be inspired by his lies and fallacies.
Holy Spirit of the Father and Son vs. unclean spirit of antichrist and the false prophet.
Thanks Bob!
His Peace to you,
Joe
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