Who was Noah and what did he do?

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ez2u:
I want to share something here
Psa 104:15 And wine3196 that maketh glad8055 the heart3824 of man,582 and oil4480, 8081 to make his face6440 to shine,6670 and bread3899 which strengtheneth5582 man's582 heart.3

man's
H582
אנושׁ
'ĕnôsh
en-oshe'
From H605; properly a mortal (and thus differeing from the more dignified H120); hence a man in general (singly or collectively). It is often unexpressed in the English Version, especially when used in apposition with another word: - another, X [blood-] thirsty, certain, chap [-man], divers, fellow, X in the flower of their age, husband, (certain, mortal) man, people, person, servant, some (X of them), + stranger, those, + their trade. It is often unexpressed in the Engl. version, especially when used in apposition with another word. Compare H376.

H605
אנשׁ
'ânash
aw-nash'
A primitive root; to be frail, feeble, or (figuratively) melancholy: - desperate (-ly wicked), incurable, sick, woeful.

H120
אדם
'âdâm
aw-dawm'
From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.

Adam who was ruddy Esa
Gen 25:23 And the LORD3068 said559 unto her, Two8147 nations1471 are in thy womb,990 and two8147 manner of people3816 shall be separated6504 from thy bowels;4480, 4578 and the one people3816 shall be stronger553 than the other people;4480, 3816 and the elder7227 shall serve5647 the younger.6810
Gen 25:24 And when her days3117 to be delivered3205 were fulfilled,4390 behold,2009 there were twins8380 in her womb.990
Gen 25:25 And the first7223 came out3318 red,132 all over3605 like an hairy8181 garment;155 and they called7121 his name8034 Esau.6215

Gen 25:27 And the boys5288 grew:1431 and Esau6215 was1961 a cunning3045 hunter,6718 a man376 of the field;7704 and Jacob3290 was a plain8535 man,376 dwelling3427 in tents.168
man
H376
אישׁ
'îysh
eesh
Contracted for H582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant); a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation.) : - also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, [foot-, husband-] man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man [-kind], + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso (-ever), worthy. Compare H802. I am bring this out because this shows two different men and you see the same thing about woman Is there two creations of humans?

I also want to say in this Noah post
Heb 11:7 By faith4102 Noah,3575 being warned of God5537 of4012 things not seen as yet,3369, 991 moved with fear,2125 prepared2680 an ark2787 to the saving1519, 4991 of his848 house;3624 by1223 the which3739 he condemned2632 the3588 world,2889 and2532 became1096 heir2818 of the3588 righteousness1343 which is by2596 faith.4102

Noah condemned the world that is wha tI am bring out not about tribulation ect...
Do any of you see this. Peggy

santgem:
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God Gen 6:9

How could Noah be perfect if Paul said that...

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:10
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom 3:23

Is it not that only Jesus is perfect in this life and we will be perfected in the next life?

G. Driggs:
Hi Santgem,

One point of view is from man's relative point of view. The other is from God's point of view which is the absolute point of view.

This email reply from Ray might help explain.

http://www.bible-truths.com/email14.htm

Dear Ben:

Dozens of times (maybe hundreds) God speaks to us AS IF He were a man. But God is NOT A MAN.

Some examples:

"And the Lord REPENTED [changed His mind] of the evil which He thought to do unto His people" (Ex. 32:14).

Vs.

"And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for He is not a man that he should repent [change His mind]" (I. Sam. 15:29).

Is this a flat out Biblical contradiction? NO. On statement is from man's point of view, and the other is from God's point of view. One is the RELATIVE, while the other is the ABSOLUTE.

"...choose you this day whom ye will serve" (Josh. 24:15).

Vs.

"Ye have NOT chosen me, but I have chosen you..." (John 15:16).

The relative point of view from man's position seems to put the ability to choose on man's shoulders, while the ABSOLUTE truth from God's position is that 'no one CAN come to Me...." (John 6:44).

"...whosoever does not righteousness is NOT of God" (I jn 3:10).

Vs.

"ALL is of God" (II Cor. 5:18).

Unrighteousness is NOT of God's heart. Those who doe wickedness are of their father the devil, Jesus said. Yet, even THAT is OF GOD in the ultimate sense.

One more:

"Zachariah was JUST before God" (Luke 1:5).

Vs.

"NOT ONE is JUST" (Rom. 3:10).

Again, Zachariah was "just" FROM MAN'S point of view. When comparing him with all the other corrupt priests, Zachariah certainly appeared to be JUST. But from God's ABSOLUTE point of view, not even Zachariah was just.

And so there are hundreds of just such statements in Scripture that appear to make God out to be HUMAN, with HUMAN anatomy (eyes, ears, face, hair, arms, etc.) when in reality God IS SPIRIT and has ABSOLUTELY NO HUMAN ANATOMY.

When God asked: "Where art thou Adam?" Are we to assumed that God Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE ADAM WAS HIDING?? And then, "WHO TOLD YOU that you were naked?" Does God REALLY NOT KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE SIMPLE QUESTIONS?

It was for ADAMS SAKE that God asked: "Where art thou" and "who told you that you are naked." From man's point of view God "repented" or "changed His mind." But God has not revealed to the whole world that ALL IS OF HIM, and he NEVER EVER CHANGES ANYTHING! Now do you see and understand. Good.

There are thousands of highly educated theologians and teachers that do not grasp these simplest of Bible Truths.

God be with you,

Ray
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What I've always wondered is can both points of view be true? Certainly God's absolute point of view is true, but is mans relative point of view true too?

Kat:

Well let's see, I think the absolute and the relative is the right place to look for the answer here.

--- Quote from: santgem on September 17, 2013, 02:12:02 AM ---These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God Gen 6:9

How could Noah be perfect if Paul said that...

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:10
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom 3:23

Is it not that only Jesus is perfect in this life and we will be perfected in the next life?

--- End quote ---

To Santgem question, Noah was perfect in his generation. That is relative or from a position (man's point of view) of a physical man, it is true. Compared to his generation, Noah was considered pretty much as 'perfect' as a carnal man could be.

Now from the absolute position, which is God's position, He is the totality of spiritual completeness/perfection. God is in a place of total purity, of 'perfection' beyond anything physical, because God is not limited by the physical in His completeness, He is without any degree of flaw. So nothing in the physical can even come close to comparing to what God is, therefore you have the 'relative' perspective of physical man or from his point of view, which God allows and then you have the 'absolute' perspective of a sovereign God.

Hope that helps.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

santgem:
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Job 1:8

Job did sin. As Ray's explanation(sorry forgot the link)

Job finally saw this SIN in his life and repented of it. Must we be brought down as low as Job was before we see this sin in our own lives:

"If I rejoiced because MY wealth was great, and because MINE HAND HAD GOTTEN much…"

Have we not all said, or believed, that it is by man’s own free moral choices that he can either be a bum or make himself prosperous? Have we not all believed this, and acted on this, and taken credit, all through this belief in our own "free will choices?" Of course we have, and IT IS A SIN that needs to be repented of:

"…because MINE HAND HAD GOTTEN much… THIS ALSO were an INIQUITY TO BE PUNISHED by the Judge: for I should [would] have DENIED the God that is above" (Job. 31:25 & 28).

It is "iniquity" to take to one’s self, powers and accomplishments that belong to God and to ONLY God. Job repented of this iniquity. What is our excuse for continuing to cling to this idol of the heart?

In the proverbs it says that;

Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.Pro 20:1

Genesis 9:20-25
20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness. 24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said, "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers."

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Gen 6:9

How can the Bible say that Noah was a Perfect and blameless person before the Lord during his generation when he goes around getting drunk and lying naked in his drunkenness?

Now the big question is.....
Is drunkenness and lying naked in that scenario is not a sin against God?

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