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insanezenmistress:
some people ask, "should we go to church now" some people ask, "whats the point no one can know if they are saved or not", and some other people really go off the deep end and say well theres nothing we can do, its all god fault anyway, and drive themselves into mental paste with the details.....
I prefere the direct approach.OK. so today between my ramblings we are going to discuss a few verses. I did not know which discussion bored was meant for that, and am too shy to break rules, cause this pondering i am about to undertake might seem blasphomouse to ray(pun intended). But i am here to just think and my verse and interpretation wont be anti ray......(evils grins i am the anti christ, honestly)...........
OUR verse for the day
"Some, to be sure are preaching Christ even form envy and strife, but some also from good will. The latter do it out of love....
"Knowing that I (also we ) are appointed for the defence of the Gospel:The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, rather than form pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment.
" What then! Only this.....
"That in every way, wether pretence or truth, CHRIST is proclaimed: and in this truth, (CHRIST) that i rejoice, Yes i will rejoice. For i know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provisions of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, according to my earnest expectation (hum i enjoy those words) and hope, that i shall not be put to shame in anything, but that with all boldness, Christ shall , even now, ......as always....., be exalted in MY body, wether by life or by death."
Wow he said alot. in such short lines......if there are indeed so many few of these chosen and many not yet chosen, or the goers to hell if you so believe. Face it no matter what one believes, Christ Jesus is who/what Christ is, so lets not get stuck on the particulars and get to the finding of this CHRIST MIND.........
The Christ of Paul, that Christ who did POOF at him in the way to Damascus.............i mean you know theology whooped do.This Christ thing has got to be better that just knowing what is, what not and it really MUST have something more to do with a thing YOU can chose, when and how and after the Lord reveals all the stuff to you.
The kind of Mind of Christ that Paul had.....well it must have been more spectacular that to have all your thoughts in subjections to him.......(wink wink)(er...somewhere in Corinthians).....it must be something that is able to transend everything ...(god is a being ness),
People need to hear truth and see truth in action, and learn by faith and example , that's why Jesus is "Grooming" a few now, and i tell ya our behaviour has to be right instep with his will and that's more than knowing which bible to study.
It is a way to life, and when you are brought along to live it with surrender and obedience rather than thick study and worry , then the Living in the mind of Christ differs all your values and all your understanding, turning it over to the mind of Christ. Once you leave Babylon you cant return. How can the mind of Christ become deceived again?
Basically it wont matter what church your in when Christ converts you, and dint you think it would be nice if those poor lost souls could at least see ONE example of "thing" they are wishing for......not all Christians IN Babylon are wolves and shouldn't we be making disciples of all men......
If it makes you mad to hear the falseness..... Suck it up, your brother is hungry. Even Christ went to church for the few.. how many of you where lost and alone because there wasn't even any kind of person who seemed to have the life the bible promises. We all where lost and struggling and many haven't let themselves seek as far as you have. i think it is better to learn to let go of my outrage and make friends of the very few.
Beside wether you are in church, a place you can more easily talk about the bible or on the street proclaiming your message, or one on one interactions form the grocery store to hanging out with friends, your life ought to be reflecting the Christ that's instructing you and that you are a child of his by correction and surrender which leads to perfectness.
Your "theology" is gonna slip out ,and so will the god given wisdom to know when to let it out. In the world, out of the world, what ever when god's in control you speak truth. And we are all short of the total glory of that.......you know why Jesus needs a BIG BODY....he is everything, he is all perspective, he is truth no matter what.
whew a big god indeed is taking his time instructing us.
and i think he can do it even if we "go to church" or "go to the world" or "still cling to our theology" because is he is beyond all that.. all i got to do is learn to obey him and walk with him.
In that mind, the Scriptures become word to you, they are your witness and your confirmation. But you can lose this bliss too with unbelief, that's somewhere in Hebrews. Paul st rived .... Peter st rived, i know i have st rived.......how about you...and yes it is our will God is testing
..........what he is asking for.........
puke up that fruit of the tree of knowledge.
..........*ACK*...........Good boy now go make disciples.
Justine
musicman:
Sometimes small children eat dog food off of the floor because they don't know any better. When they mature they begin to find this to be disgusting and stop eating it. So should we eat dog food off of the floor to make deciples of little children?
P. S.
Yuck, yuck. . . Nasty!! Bad dog food. No eat!!!
Don't even taste spiritual swill!!
insanezenmistress:
--- Quote from: musicman on September 01, 2007, 01:43:01 AM ---Sometimes small children eat dog food off of the floor because they don't know any better. When they mature they begin to find this to be disgusting and stop eating it. So should we eat dog food off of the floor to make deciples of little children?
P. S.
Yuck, yuck. . . Nasty!! Bad dog food. No eat!!!
Don't even taste spiritual swill!!
--- End quote ---
do adults take time concidering the dog food they will feed their dogs, and which pizza rolls the immature would like best?
you ask me if we need to go feast on the yuck in order to make disciples...the answer is no. But do we need to be examples above the swill and able to bring out immedieate nutrition and give out proper portions in order to make disciples, yes.
People have alot more to learn about Jesus, such as how to cast down imaginations, and most of the Book of epehesians which have application to them beyond wether their preacher tells them aunty is going to hell.
In the average Christian the Desire is to be doing right for the Lord and Hell doesnt much come up in our own circles but rather a wondering about how to obey. Much like in personal conversation your own name doesnt much come up. I am ALL FOR Rays great work. It is wonderfull to learn what hereicies we have. And as i was saying this getting out of Babylon is more than to just stoping the going to Chruch, it is to get out of our carnal and flippity minds.
And i see some importance in makeing myself available to those who are in that system seeking a ray of light. Those who maybe dont have the time to read an internet site, who might just need someone eating cadviar in order to realise the yuckyness of their swill. Then we can teach them how to Cook.
But then also that might just be my thing, i mean i dont suggest a person who leaves a brainwashing cult go back (or an Alcholic to go back into a bar) into it to be a light there. But some do, We all have our callings and besides, even if you stay in the chruch or stay in the world, the escape from Babylon effects everything you do, think and say.
Kat:
Hi Justine,
Basically it wont matter what church your in when Christ converts you, and dint you think it would be nice if those poor lost souls could at least see ONE example of "thing" they are wishing for......not all Christians IN Babylon are wolves and shouldn't we be making disciples of all men......
But do we need to be examples above the swill and able to bring out immedieate nutrition and give out proper portions in order to make disciples, yes.
The thing that accured to me while reading these statements in your post is this;
When we first come to the knowledge of the truth we may be in the church, are we prepared to teach others about this truth, at the time we first come to it ourselves? I don't think so. We are learning ourselves.
Do we want to stay among the teachers of heresy while we are trying to gain the truth for ourself, again I don't think so.
To be a teacher and example of the truth to others, you must be very well grounded in understanding the truth of the scripture, which can take years (the disciples were taught by Jesus for 3 1/2 yrs, it may have been many years before Paul started teaching, which you can read in Gal. 1:16-24 and 2:1-2)
The scripture that strikes me as being the most relevant.
2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
v. 15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
v. 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
v. 17 Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
v. 18 and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty."
Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
mercy, peace and love
Kat
insanezenmistress:
:)
i agree it takes years and even separation to learn the things god has to teach you, and i agree about in the beginning we ought to stay out of cirtien places, where one can become confused.
i am argueing that this whole process of overcomming and being conformed to His image, involves our every move and state of being.AS you come closer to truth in your understanding you are able to hear beyond what they are saying and see their hearts. And that since we are still in this world we ought to try to have multiply our talents and that includes what we do here. But i cant escape the desire to be in the church i am in, to try to witness and to pray for them while i am there. and yes it is frustrateing to listen to the false, i i do alot of praying and acceptance, and try to speek to these people with teaching and encouragement get them to turn their hearts toward god, and speak truth but avoid cirten topics till i am friends with the mammon of unrighteousness.
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