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Origen II:
I know Ray and Mike are busy going against Christendom, but I believe it's time that we start defending ourselves from accusations by Atheist and humanist as well.
Recently I've had a problem arguing as to why God would slaughter children.
Many of these Atheist (evilbible.com) believe that the Bible condones rape as well.
Can anyone help me with these topics? I think we seriously need to discuss these things.
I'd appreciate it.
love_magnified:
I think the best way to explain those things is to understand the spiritual truths behind them. For example, the promised land was represented by a peice of land in the Middle East. But the true promised land is union with God through Christ. Therefore all the towns that God told them to completely demolish without mercy, represent spiritual truths as well. Those enemies are strongholds (the man of sin in the temple of God) that the Lord gives us power to destroy in order to enter into the promised land more and more.
ertsky:
i suppose it's one of the great controversies really.
why has God created evil ?
i don't have any particular answers, neither do i feel it is my vocation to defend God's creating of evil.
i have noticed a lot of times it's an excuse (the existence of evil) to not believe, rather than a reason.
i would discuss it i guess, if i absolutely had to
i saw a WWII guy on TV saying that after seeing some of the things he had seen it made it very hard to believe in a God
i sympathised with him, and his pain, but obviously God had not wanted him to see, up to that particular point, otherwise he would be able to see right ?
i think what i'm trying to say is that if you need an excuse not to believe, the existence of evil is a good one, but for me, my eyes have been opened a little, and i cannot deny what i have seen, even if i dislike the existence of evil.
today and yesterday i spent some time teaching my daughter some tunes on the guitar and the experience was so great it was what i would call good not evil. (we laughed to the point of tears, a real blessing)
so the knowledge and experience of good and evil
but for me evil is bad enough already that i feel lead to largely focus on the good which is so often neglected or ignored.
as in
Phi 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Phi 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
if evil must come then it will, but i have had enough evil to last a lifetime or three and i want the good while it's here.
and if some blind man wants to say to me, your God is evil, well i pretty much understand where he is coming from even though i'm glad i don't agree with him.
i could come up with arguments but what good would they do?
no point fighting flesh with flesh.
if God want's him to know, then he will know, and if God want's me to tell Him, then God will put the word's in my mouth that He want's the guy to hear.
if you see what i mean
i just want to live in the spirit
to me it's bad enough that evil is here without wasting any more time than is absolutely necessary on it.
it may sound a bit weird but i couldn't care less what a bunch of atheists believe i used to be that way myself.
and i have zero interest in defending what i believe to people that don't really care, they just want to disagree.
and if they were genuine seekers well we'd get on fine i'm sure.
oh well i hope somewhere in there it made sense
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rvhill:
I agree with ertsky
I wrote in another thread about these people
--- Quote ---I think you still need to learn you can not save anyone nightmare sasuke. Farther more these people clam have read the bible, and they still do not believe. They are denying Jesus before men.
Matt. 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Even worse they stand in Judgment of Jesus. They are of the Pharisees. They believe themselves to be better then God.
Matthew 7:1 [ Judging Others ] "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Luke 6:37 [ Judging Others ] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Luke 19:26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
John 5:28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
You should stay out of Sodom. It is not safe in there, or healthy. Even Paul would no go in to such a place.
--- End quote ---
You need to learn to wipe the dust off your feet. I have meant people like this before in real life.
2 Timothy 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
Origen II:
--- Quote from: rvhill ---I agree with ertsky
I wrote in another thread about these people
--- Quote ---I think you still need to learn you can not save anyone nightmare sasuke. Farther more these people clam have read the bible, and they still do not believe. They are denying Jesus before men.
Matt. 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Even worse they stand in Judgment of Jesus. They are of the Pharisees. They believe themselves to be better then God.
Matthew 7:1 [ Judging Others ] "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Luke 6:37 [ Judging Others ] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Luke 19:26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
John 5:28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
You should stay out of Sodom. It is not safe in there, or healthy. Even Paul would no go in to such a place.
--- End quote ---
You need to learn to wipe the dust off your feet. I have meant people like this before in real life.
2 Timothy 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
--- End quote ---
I understand...but I want to know how to justify such things for those that sincerly ask.
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