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YellowStone:
Hi CIY,

Your post reminds me of the following two Scriptures:

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 

It seems very clear to me that it is foolish getting angry or upset about some of the "would be" truths that the "church" teach. I mean really, they could not see or hear the truth if their lives and the lives of their loved ones depened on them doing so. I believe that God's people should care less about what others are doing or saying, but rather about the thoughts, words and motives of their own hearts.

Mat 13:16  But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Because His people have been given eyes to discern the difference between TRUTH and lies and ears to do the same, one will very quickly see and hear God everywhere and in everything. As you imply, it is totally against mans nature to trust God; yet with His eyes and Ears, the benefits far out weigh the cost. :)

Great post :)

Love in Christ,
Darren

GODSown1:
GODBLESS! U! Beth & B wit U alwayZ!,
                                                    yep! I agree, d@ ur Husband & Pastor didnt jus accidently cum across ur Post its all in da Plan our Awesum! GOD has install 4 U, b strong! dear sister, I Pray HE gives da strength U will b needn, I Pray HE bringZ understandn 2 ur Husband & of coz ur Pastor All in HIS Glorious! timing soona den later, U will b missed, but Plez! try 2 keep in touch, our Prays! will b wit U alwayZ!!..
                    much muchLOVE!! Pera

ps. takecare! sister

ciy:
To form the subject into a question, what is the price we pay for the truth? 

The price is all, everything.

It is the same for whoever God brings to the knowledge of the truth.  You must be willing to pay it all.  No one has different trials than any other that is being caused to seek the truth.  Like Ray says, "It is all the same."  One person's trials may appear to be different from another's, but basically it is relative.  In order to be a chosen, elect one must drink from the same cup that Jesus drank. 

The rich, young ruler was brought to the knowledge of the truth, but he was not willing to give it all. He came half way and then stopped and turned back into the world.  That is why we must be careful lest we fall again back into the carnal way of looking at things.  We must stay spiritual minded and to do that you must give it all.  Your material things, your reputation, your social standing, your friends, your family, etc. must be thrown completely out of your life.  Jesus says that it must appear and feel as if you hate your family, friends, this world in comparison to how much you love God.

It is a hard teaching.  I am sure Beth is not reading this anymore, but should she be encouraged to stay in church just to keep peace in her family?  Did Jesus say "Go bury your father and take care of all of your family issues and then if it is ok then come follow me"?  Did he say "It will be allright.  Just take up the plow and if you feel a little homesick glance back every once in a while so that you can keep the connection with all of your loved ones and the world"?  No.  Christ gave it all and if you are going to be a chosen of God you will be made to give it all to the end.  Then you will be saved.

It is God's plan.  It is not about our warm, cuddly feeling.  It is to hammer us into the image of God.  We have no will in the matter.  It is all under the control and leading of God.  And when we truly get this truth, we will count it all joy.

Just to encourage us all.
CIY

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Darren

Reading your post brings to mind as a witness the following Scriptures.

Often I have seen Church teaching misdirect understandings by stating 1 Cor 2:9 But it is written, had not seen  and ear has not heard and has not entered into the heart of man all that God has prepared for those who love Him.

Church teaching stops at verse nine in full and paradoxical acceptance. I think appropriately so because THEY are deaf and blind.  :) They do not see or hear and omit what the following verse says:

1 Cor2:10 Yet TO US ( We who are being taught the Truth albeit the far and few scattered ones  :)) God has unveiled and revealed them by and through His Spirit for the Spirit searches diligently, exploring and examining everything, (sounds like judgement on the house of God now!  :o ) even sounding the profound and bottomless things of God, the divine counsels and things hidden and beyond man's scrutiny. (Amplified Translation)

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

Scribbles:
Brothers and Sisters, and Beth......I so hope I'm able to put my thoughts into words correctly here.( If I need correction....fire away.) I went to sleep last night with prayers and thoughts about Bam's, and others situation that are similiar, and woke up this morning the same way. I've been in and out of many churches....I guess what you could say 'orthadox', and different denominationals, 'nons', 'spirit-filled', etc etc.  There are others here that have also attended several different kinds of churches, and as we look back we can understand His hand of allowing us the opportunity. In my time of fellowship, reading, and studying here....there's always been one thing that perplexes me: why do they feel they "have to" tell the pastor of their desire for leaving, or already have quit? I'm not bringing up the subject of discussing our new found truth, etc...to others, or the pastor, but rather the heavy hearted desire to personally confront the pastor or elders to tell them that you are leaving. In my own belief, the answer to that is, simply .... we dont have to. We are under no condemnation ......." Rom 8:1.. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit".  From John 5:24 Jesus said " He that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life."  Here at the forum, and within Ray's papers, you do not see any condemnation, instead, you find encouragement. Within the christiandom churches you will find plenty of condemnation, threats, etc....hidden very sutly within their teachings. Others will be plain outright bible-thumpin dramatics. In 1Cor.14:33 it says "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints". 
  In all the churches I attended, for all the different "reasons and circumstances"....not once did I feel obligated to "have to" confront the pastor or elders, etc. with my beliefs and reason I would not be attending anymore. In my opinion, even back then without the full truth in my heart....that I didn't have to answer to "them", nor a husband...but only to God.
  Beth ..... has so many wonderful brothers and sisters here that have helped her, and have given so many wonderful scriptures, and her heart is opened for wisdom and obedience. I hope you stand strong, Bambam.....you might think you have just a little slingshot....but just think what you can do with it, like young Daniel !  and with just a few peaceful strong words, too...
  I understand that many believe they are under the authority or leadership of the church or the spouse, etc...and must obey. But when that 'leadership', or whatever....is not within the truths of God, I would not feel the need to obey nor 'answer to' them. I'm not suggesting to just suddenly fling up our arms, yell "no more going to the church!",  and stay boxed in behind closed doors. It's a walk...a process...a trial......and everything is within Gods timing, and we're all at different places in the walk where He will lead us, where, and when He's ready. One thing for sure....when you're at the right place, at the right time....there will be a peace that truly passes your own understanding.
~ Scribbles ~

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