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Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Paul

Perhaps this will help in addition to what you have wisely been advised.


Ray teaches at the following link : http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2641.0.html
Ref : September 2, 2007 Does All mean All? Ray's notes for this study. Quote:

BOTTOM LINE:  It is not necessary; we are not obligated; it is not incumbent upon us; we do not NEED to prove our faith to the satisfaction of those who DESPISE THE WORD OF GOD!

Whatever happens, it hurts because we are being DRAGGED.  The wonderful thing is that it is GOD who is doing the dragging! I believe that it is Babylon that resists all truth and appeals to our carnality to remain faithful to her leadership rather than to Jesus Christ and His Spirit.

Rom 8 : 7 That is because the mind of the flesh with its carnal thoughts and purposes is hostile to God, for it does not submit itself to God's Law; indeed it CANNOT.

Eph 5: 15 Look carefully then how you walk!  Live purposefully and worthily and accurately, not as the unwise and witless, but as wise 16. Making the very most of the time, buying up each opportunity because the days are evil. 17. Therefore do not be vague and thoughtless and foolish, but understanding and firmly grasping what the will of the Lord is. (COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE)

Col 3 ; 15 And let the peace from Christ rule, act as umpire continually in your hearts, deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state to which as members of Christ's one body you were also called to live. And be thankful, appreciative, giving praise to God always.

Peace be with you

Arcturus :)

Gregor:
Greetings,
First let me say that this is just my opinion, so if it don't apply, let it fly  ;) Being in a teaching position, and having to teach doctrines that you disagree with would definately be something you personally need to remedy (as you already know). How to do this while still showing brotherly love? Well, I'd suggest giving proper notice to the pastor (or whoever is in the appropriate chain of command) and simply list "personal reasons" for stepping down. Don't just up and quit leaving the children/youth "high & dry."

Now, after stepping down from the teaching position, the question remains as to whether you should completely stop going to that fellowship. I'm sure many will disagree with me here, but I encourage you to give this much prayer and consideration. Jesus taught in the temple. He, too, was eventually "asked" to leave. In fact, they wanted to throw him off a cliff and/or stone him. So until the members actually ask you to leave, maybe you should still attend and only teach those who are willing to listen, and that, on a one-on-one, personal type basis. You can still let your light shine. If I didn't learn to "let it fly" I'd have no friends. I have yet to find an actual church where they teach and believe everything the same as I do. Even though I've attended meetings where the pastor and most of those in attendance believe in the false teachings regarding the gift of tongues, I've still seen the spirit at work. Just because we disagree on doctrine (as we do with those who are complete unbelievers) doesn't mean that we can't still be a light to them. Are you able to agree to disagree? You can spiritually "come out of them" without literally removing yourself. We are taught to walk in the spirit, regardless of whatever physical environment you're in.

ez2u:
Triton there are many unanswered question about your church, your relationship with the church, the authority in the church, and the people?  For instance are you discipling any younger men?  How small is the community? Why have you been put into leadership there? what is God doing in your life.
Php 4:6  Be anxious about nothing, but in everything by prayer and by petition with thanksgivings, let your requests be made known to God;
Php 4:7  and the peace of God which surpasses all understanding will keep your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Peggy 

dawnnnny:
I think it would be difficult to keep attending a church that preached free will, the trinity and eternal damnation, etc., once you know the truth.  Even a lot of the worship songs have the trinity written into the lyrics.  I love Christian music but now, when some songs like that start playing on the radio, I switch the station or turn it off for a bit  :)     What do you do in a church worship session? -- just stand there and not sing?  And if a false message is being preached, personally I wouldn't be able to sit there.  I would feel like at best, a hypocrite, and at worse, like I was betraying God.  I think this is why most people eventually leave "Babylon" but I can imagine how very hard that can be just from reading so many of these posts.  I do agree on lots of prayer and letting Him lead you.  I will pray for you Paul!
Love,
Dawn

YellowRose:
Triton,

Your post touches me very deeply, specifically your words, "Afterward I felt disappointed. Nobody agreed. Yet, as I said, they couldn't really refute what I shared. They just believe what they believe. Nothing against them. They're my good friends. Maybe I'm just feeling depressed."

I believe what you are experiencing is the recognition of the price to be paid for your new Walk in Him: separation from people you have known and loved and cared a lot about for a long time.  Your depression could be a measure of grief about the potential loss of these relationships.  Also, as you said, disappointment that the wonderful truths God has blessed you to understand have fallen on deaf ears and not brought out in people the same excitement, joy and peace you experience when you contemplate them.  It is a very contradicting experience and it can be very challenging to deal with.  Please be aware that the struggle to come to terms with all of this can sow doubt in your own heart about what you believe.  You are in a very trying time right now.  I encourage you to continue to read and study all of Ray's teachings on www.bibletruths.com and to continue to submit to God's work in you.  Please know this also: perhaps you are going to lose relationships as a result of these new beliefs, or maybe those relationships are going to become less than what they were.  BUT: You also have new relationships to forge with people who believe like you and who understand what God is teaching you ... everyone on this forum.  We support you; we understand you; we believe like you do.  You can always come here for fellowship and support.  If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.  Phillipians 2:1-2.  This is who we are!  God has not abandoned you in this new walk.  No; He is ready to give you so much more than you ever had.  He loves you and He cares about you and He is doing a Good Work in you: conforming you to the image of His Son, Jesus.  Sometimes the process doesn't seem to make sense.  Trust God.  Trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.  Proverbs 3:5-6. 

I am praying for you.

In His Service,

Cathy

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