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ez2u:
Hi sonofone  thanks for posting this it has really help me to see clearer on several topics.  I knew coming out of Babylon was a spiritual working too but as I began to read this post I realize that if you are a drug addict you don't hang with the old neighborhood.  It will drag you back down.  Now I know that was extreme but.... this is important work.  The other thing is  I would like to share is that when I first started reading and participating in the discussions, even though a lot of The Word was scattered in my brain This was different  it was condense and right on track, it isn't just my mind thinking a little here and a little there about these new thoughts but people with vision.To be honest I felt like I would have a mentally breakdown.  Things inside my mind was moving pretty fast my brain was too.  A stirring began to go on and I was not happy with what I have been seeing in my daily life coming up.  I have seen wrong here, thats normal but I have seen a lot of compassion here in helping me through  as my mind begin to adjust to  this bigger picture and a lot of people who know the truth, "Praise God" and speak it!!!  What I am trying to say it a bit of an adjustment coming into this forum even when you know The Word.  love peggy

sonofone:
Duluth, I started to pm you but decided it might actually be helpful for everyone to hear what I was going to tell you. It is rarely intentional when we slight another person. Just the other day my Wife and I were discussing how we often offend or slight people while being completely oblivious to it. Women can probably relate to this more than men. A missed compliment, being the second person to tell your wife happy birthday.In this case saying something with one intention,that is received another way. To be sure when I here something that appears to be offensive, I get offended. I do however leave room for the fact that I could be misinterpreting the intent. This is the reason why I check my carnal nature,before I respond in anger.As I said in my post which you reference I thank all of you for every response to my post. You help me grow,and keep me sharp.I hope that the fact that our responses can sometimes fall on a persons ear with the wrong intent does not stop us from posting what we believe is good information,at least not on my behalf. Post on please. If I truly have or sense that a problem might exist between myself and someone posting I would most likely pm you to get clarity so that the original post can keep moving. Thanks

ciy:
Maybe these verses will help us all see clearer just how important it is to forsake the world and seek the truth. 

16Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
   17And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
   18And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
   19And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
   20And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
   21So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
   22And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
   23And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
   24For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
   25And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
   26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Our God is a jealous God.  We can all list reasons not to leave Bablyon in order to seek the fullness of God, but when it comes down to it there is no excuse.  A large part of the bible is God trying to get His people to worship only Him and not to go a-whoring after other religions, but even today we have a hard time giving up those "leeks and onions" of Egypt.
CIY

sonofone:
I've been thinking about a scripture hear the last couple of days and believe it fits in with this discussion.Matthew 16 vs 18-19 Jesus said that the GATES OF HELL WOULD NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT! i IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT ABOUT THE SCRIPTURE OVER IN Matthew 23 vs 11. I believes the gates are the current Church leaders which teach doctrines that blind the minds of those seeking God, Jesus said that they would not prevail against his church. What do you think?

indianabob:

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The inspiration came from a book one of the members loaned me called; The Kingdom of God is a PARTY, by Tony Campolo.  As you may imagine, I am not going to teach with authority concerning doctrine.  The folks would listen and even participate in the discussion, but the doctrines wouldn't remain with them because they would just filter them out automatically through the traditions they have always known.  It is my hope however that they will come away with less fear of the future in their minds.


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Hi Bob,

I did a quick search on the book you mentioned, I could not get past the first paragraph where Tony Campolo states;

"The Kingdom is a Party"

In Chapter 14 of Deuteronomy, beginning at the 22nd verse, we read about tithing. According to Jewish law, every year all Jewish families came to Jerusalem. They brought with them one-tenth of all the money they earned that past year. (Tony's version)

Now for the actual Scripture;

Deu 14:22  Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
 
Deu 14:23  And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

Does anyone see money mentioned, I am sorry but I can not see this mixing of truth with lies as a good thing, if someone wants to belong to a social club maybe it would be better to join one that does not misrepresent God's Word or His plan and purpose.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

P.S. That was just the first 2 sentences of the very first paragraph!

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12:30  9/14/07

Dear Friend Joe,

I repent of not being more clear and detailed in my short letter to encourage JavaJoe and Gregor to be patient while separating themselves from error and yet maintaining good relations with the community in which they live.  I know that you agree with what I had in mind, but didn't explain clearly, because I have read your thoughtful, gracious advice to others on a similar topic that doesn't come readily to mind.

I will begin my humble defense with the statement that I am in no way recommending the mentioned book or its author. My reason for mentioning it is that the member who lent me the book will hopefully be considering an additional aspect of God's love that the author didn't mention and they will be pleased to know that I did read the book out of love and respect for their thoughtfulness. 

Keep in mind please, that this is a house church bible study that is maintained with about ten retired persons who have no where else to go and I am just visiting the infirm, the lonely, the uncalled to try to bring a little cheer and to exercise my own compassion for others.  They do not believe in the trinity, they don't teach tithing as compulsory only as from the heart and they are all above 65 years of age. In fact Ferris Zechiel will be 100 next birthday.

Next please allow me to mention that verses 25 -26 do instruct the traveling celebrant to turn the produce into money and to share it graciously with all who are in need and in attendance at the 'party'.  It is not intended as an offering to God or the temple, it is to be spent lavishly on oneself, ones friends and the needy.   This celebration is a fore taste of the joy we will find in the Kingdom and was an inspiration to the Jews of Jesus time.

Lastly, I agree completely and wholeheartedly that we should not mix truth with lies.  I am working on becoming more Christlike as are all of us in BT and the forum, but I am just learning how to handle this responsibility and I can see no responsible and loving way to just walk away from people who have shown me only love and respect.

I can reassure you that I will not lie to them or as much as it is in my control, let them believe a lie because of my conduct or speaking.  But Joe, I have to live in this community and with these folks on a daily basis and I can find no Bible example in which Jesus commanded us to abandon our family in need regardless of their error or blatant sin.

Friend Joe, what would you have me do?

Inquiring minds and hearts want to know.

I love you and I appreciate the good intention of your response. 

Please keep up the good work.  Bob Breyfogle



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