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musicman:
I was just reading this latest Lee Strobel book "The Case For The Real Jesus". In an interview with Daniel B. Wallace, PH.D, I learned how scholars go about protecting the trinity hypothesis from those who might or might not be able to read. When stroble quoted an atheist scholar who implied that the edition (or change) of I John 5:7-8 might be the only KJ scripture to affirm the trinity Wallace came back with:
"... that's just such a stupid comment, I can hardly believe it. The Council of Constantinople in AD 381 and Chalcedon in AD 451 emerged with explicit statements affirming the Trinity. Obviously, they didn't need this later, inauthentic passage to see it."
He goes on to say:
"The Bible clearly contatins these four truths: the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and there's only one God", "And that's the Trinity".
Can somebody tell me why the oppinions of those councils would even matter? This is the only subject of the interview where Wallace provides no evidence as far as I'm concerned.
By the way, I was imagining Wallace stamping his foot on the floor throwing a tantrum as he made the statements above.
SixFour:
--- Quote from: musicman on September 17, 2007, 04:50:36 PM ---I was just reading this latest Lee Strobel book "The Case For The Real Jesus". In an interview with Daniel B. Wallace, PH.D, I learned how scholars go about protecting the trinity hypothesis from those who might or might not be able to read. When stroble quoted an atheist scholar who implied that the edition (or change) of I John 5:7-8 might be the only KJ scripture to affirm the trinity Wallace came back with:
"... that's just such a stupid comment, I can hardly believe it. The Council of Constantinople in AD 381 and Chalcedon in AD 451 emerged with explicit statements affirming the Trinity. Obviously, they didn't need this later, inauthentic passage to see it."
He goes on to say:
"The Bible clearly contatins these four truths: the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and there's only one God", "And that's the Trinity".
Can somebody tell me why the oppinions of those councils would even matter? This is the only subject of the interview where Wallace provides no evidence as far as I'm concerned.
By the way, I was imagining Wallace stamping his foot on the floor throwing a tantrum as he made the statements above.
--- End quote ---
And also raising a shaking a fist in the air to bring home the point!
Me myself, I had often times past questioned the "trinity" in my mind, but I went along with it because that's what I was always taught. It is so great to be free from such things.
dawnnnny:
When I finally started questioning the Trinity doctrine, I was told that its a mystery, just accept it and move on.
Nice advice huh?
As far as the "councils" go, it sounds like this Wallace guy is putting more authority on them than the Word of God.
That song from Fiddler on the Roof - TRADITION - keeps going through my mind.
YellowStone:
Hi Dawn,
That was the old line I was always given. "If you can't understand it, then God has not given ot to you to understand" and they would shake their heads as if I were a lost cause. But you should have seen them squirm when I said to them: "but surely God has given it to you to explain, or are you only pretending?" Never did get an honest answer using that line.
Musicman, I would love to hear Lee Strobel's take on the Trinity. The only book that I have read of his, is: "Case for a Creator" and I loved it.
Love in Christ,
Darren
musicman:
Darren,
I'm sure Strobel's take on the trinity would be the same as every person that he has questioned through his interviews. The "Case For a Creator" was a much better book than his last two because he stayed away from theological issues. In his Case for Christ he asked one scholar to explain how a loving God could send so many to hell. If I were bent on making money with such books, I would stay completely away from these doctrines because I know they are false, but are believed by most who would buy the book. This is an amazing witness for the fact that intelligence has nothing to do with spiritual understanding.
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