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Deborah-Leigh:
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Ray teaches : Elect?
« on: October 02, 2006, 09:16:07 PM »
Those whom God has foreordained to be the elect will always be the elect. The chosen elect cannot be lost. But you and I do not know exactly who is and who isn't an elect. Only God's knows those who are His, and therefore, we can never let down our guard, because we might only think that we are elect. I have seen and witnessed this with my own eyes where those who appeared to be elect, turned and now blaspheme the name of the Saviour they claimed to worship a short while back.
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God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2059.0.html
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
You brought it to my attention, that the excerpt that I provided from Ray's article did say, The Prodigal Son SINNED, he was LOST, he spiritually DIED, and then? And then he was JUDGED! Where and when was he judged? In the hog pens of a far alien country, that’s where. But I do not think he meant that it ended there. Here is another excerpt from 'GEHENNA FIRE JUDGMENT.'
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D4.htm -------------------------------------------------
Jesus says that Gehenna fire is eonian, not eternal.... Now then if the fire is eonian for us.... We only go through God's Gehenna/eonian fire for our eon, our life. A man's life is an eon, his eon. So eonian fire cannot be eternal, or we, God's chosen Elect, would go through Gehenna fire for all eternity. Now then, since it is only a temporary fire for us, the very SAME fire can be only temporary for the rest of humanity as well. Truly, the Scriptures do not contradict.
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I just wanted to bring this forward because that one statement on the other post did not make it clear that we do, go through God's Gehenna/eonian fire for our eon, our life.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
That addition is what building up in Spirit and in Truth looks like for me.
That Scriptural insightful teaching via Ray fits perfectly Kat.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Gregor:
Greetings,
Eph.3:8-12, NKJV, "To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all people see what is the fellowship (stewardship) of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the pricipalities and powers in the heavenly places, according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him."
These verses are packed with truth. Paul is humble in spirit, clear in purpose, in Christ, with boldness and confidence. Where are the "heavenly places" if not in our very flesh? For God dwells in us, who are in Christ. The key again is "IN Christ" King David pleaded with the Lord not to take his Holy Spirit from him. This is something to ponder.
In the analogy of being lost, lost is only a condition of the mind. Once we have a guide to educate/lead us, or a "map" to follow, we are no longer "LOST." We are not at our ultimate destination, but as long as we follow the instructions, we too can be bold and confident (only by trusting in our guide) that we will reach our final destination. If we second guess our guide or map, we make the wrong decisions and risk finding ourselves lost again. This is why we must remain "IN" Christ.
God is omniscient, and omnipresent. He does know where we are and what we're thinking. He asks us questions in the bible, not for his sake, but for our sake - to open our eyes, our understanding, to to the pricipalities and powers in the heavenly places.
Truly, God is revealing Himself to us! The "Elect" by default, are elected, by God. We can all run for office, but only God Himself has the power to give us that title. He chooses us, by his grace.
G.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Gregor
Thank you for your view from where you stand. It is always refreshing to see the magnificence of Christ from a diversity of perspectives. Rather like looking at a diamond from one side and seeing it refract a dazzling blue light and another brother or sister sees it from where they stand and report seeing a magnificent purple or golden light.
You say : This is why we must remain "IN" Christ.
For me we are powerless to obey or follow or must unless as you observe, God provides us the Grace (Divine influence on our heart...ref: Ray's teachings regarding Grace June 3, 2007 Saved by Grace through Faith
http://bible-truths.com/audio/6-03-07.mp3 ...we are without any goodness or strength to proceed. Hence your post for me underscores our absolute dependence on His Faith and the Goodness and Power, Sovereignty and Purposes of God.
Col 1 : 4 For we have heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, the leaning of your entire human personality on Him in absolute trust and confidence in HIS Power, Wisdom, and Goodness, and of the love which you have and show for all the saints, God's consecrated ones.
This shines through your post as revealing that God desires us to know the difference between good and evil and any help towards that end is form me Godly inspiration and encouragement. We know we are all still a work in progress.
Gen 3 : 22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil....
Your vantage point that sees the principalities within and as you point this out it reveals the purpose of God beautifully for me that we come to know, comprehend and understand HIM. Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life.
I see it like this. The Beast is within us all and is killed off only in the end works of Christ at our resurrection or bit by bit through our life times under the fire of judgment that only terminates with our death. For me that shows God Himself at work in us through us and for us. After the last Trump some will have access to the Tree of Life that IS for me, Jesus Christ and will be shown to be like Him in His image once He returns and we see Him as He is.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
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