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Redbird:
Dear Joe,
Thank you for your concern for me brother. :) No worries. God is the Father. Jesus is the Son. And the Holy Spirit is of God. That is my understanding. I do not believe in the trinity the way the churches teach. So rest asssured.
Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also, after ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Peace and Love and His Wisdom to you,
Lisa
hillsbororiver:
Hi Lisa,
You are welcome and I thank you for your response, my biggest concern was what could be read into some of the things that were written in this thread. It is not my or any moderator's desire to stifle digging deeper into the understanding spiritual things but we also want to be clear in using the Scriptures as the measure, the Word is the Rock, it is our foundation.
It is for the benefit of our newer members and guests that we attempt to clarify some of the statements that may confuse or seem to contradict the Scriptures and the articles on Bible Truths. Scriptural challenges (2 witnesses) to the articles are never discouraged though.
The realization that Jesus is Yahweh the God of Israel in the Old Testament is a new concept for many who are new here, I only wanted to underline that bit of wisdom, it was not to challenge or call into question what your beliefs are in regard to this.
Thank you again for taking this in the spirit that was intended.
His Peace to you Sister,
Joe
insanezenmistress:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on September 21, 2007, 09:13:27 AM ---It is for the benefit of our newer members and guests that we attempt to clarify some of the statements that may confuse or seem to contradict the Scriptures and the articles on Bible Truths. Scriptural challenges (2 witnesses) to the articles are never discouraged though.
The realization that Jesus is Yahweh the God of Israel in the Old Testament is a new concept for many who are new here, I only wanted to underline that bit of wisdom, it was not to challenge or call into question what your beliefs are in regard to this.
Thank you again for taking this in the spirit that was intended.
His Peace to you Sister,
Joe
*bows*
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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: insanezenmistress on September 21, 2007, 08:33:31 AM ---Joe,
welll, i dont know about all that.... but it seems, the Bible speaks of God the spirit of wisdom and god the spirit of truth, and god the comforter, in feminine terms. we know god is sexless and ageless. so YES the Son is the father and the jewish praise is "Hear oh Israel, that the LORD your GOD is ONE." and the spirit we receive and will receive, this comforter, that we call the holy spirit, this is Jesus, the spirit of truth.
Fine not a trinity......but definatly a person, and offtain spoken of in feminine terms.... Shekinah glory, Elohiem, that name is neither male nor female but denotes BOTH. God created us male and female, after his likeness. alot of argument can make something of this notion.
But it is irrelivant jangleing of the mind. Wisdom is what wisdom does, it is not female or male but Spirit. No words can discribe it.
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I agree that God is Spirit with attributes of the male and female but being neither, as the angels (who are spirit) are neither male or female.
Your post does raise a couple questions though, when you state the Son is the Father are you saying that they are the very same entity?
Where in Scripture is God referred to as a "person?"
The following is also from the "Trinity" paper;
"God is a TRINITY" we have been told by the world’s leading theologians. That is, "God" is composed of THREE PERSONS. They are:
God the Father
The Holy Ghost [Spirit]
Christ Jesus the Son of God.
With just the above statement (which is accurate according to Christian teaching) we already have several unscriptural problems!
Learn something important and profound: Whenever someone tries to teach you a doctrine that is UNscriptural, he will always be forced to use words that are unscriptural.
First of all, nowhere in the Scriptures is God referred to or called a "trinity."
Second, the word "three" is never used in reference to Who or What God is.
Third, God is never called or referred to as "a person."
Four, the holy spirit is never called "God."
Five, since Christ is the Son, He cannot also be the Father or be coequal with His Father. Christ plainly said:
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
insanezenmistress:
I dont want to lead anyones thinking.
I found the topic of gnostisium interesting and really wanted to know more about it. Joe when you said that you knew alot abotu that doctrine, i was excited to glean form your learning.
I had my take and wanted yours. And i do not quote the scripture with chapter and verse and i am endevering to do that more.
i accept your words in the spirit intended.
what i want is a conversation, to seek those witnesses. I do ramble on and try to make points, and i WANT someone to correct me, jeremiah tells us our hearts are despratly wicked. ( insert chapter and verse here ;D )
.............where in the bible is God refered to as a person.....I will quest for that answer. I do not know at this time.
.............When i say that Jesus is the father do i mean that they are the same entity? ........
The Father has Greater Glory than the Son, the son is his glory in a form he can give to us. It is the same glory, two forms. Because of that, i can say yes, and i can say no. Seprate yet of equal stuff.
as to the first question. Doesnt god refer to Himself? His name is IAM. persons say i am. but i will be still on the debate and search for direct scripture.
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