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insanezenmistress:
--- Quote from: sonofone on September 20, 2007, 08:42:48 PM ---Thank God for the forum that allow us to post and help one another to learn. Thanks to Ray and all the moderators that make this place possible.
Insane I am glad to see you on the board. It is apparent to me that your spiritual pilot is lit, and that is a good sign.
Seek first to be understood,never sacrifice or risk separation from your brothers,in order to be right. We don't all grow at the same pace. Where you are now I may get there later or maybe not at all.
The spirit of Cain is alive and well in all of us.We will kill our brother if we find differences between us. Thank God that we are all accepted,by doing well. Good to see you and great post.
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Thanky ou for your encoragement. But you are also accepted. i once asked myself what did bodhidharma think abotu for nine years.
that was the ammount of time that this great zen master dude sat at a wall.
You have not jsut question, but a few answers you wish to try out. I wish that the mods would let you..............what have you thougth about for ten years.
And the rest of you.
Have you lived in silence?......Rays teachings brought something else out of you when you first heard it.
It was famillier. Like you knew it once upon a time.
When you where yet un-indoctrinated, and saw new truth everytime you read the scripture. that is the fire of god.
surface after surface of your entire being, called to examination in HIS light and by the scruteny of his word. that is the grace of god.
you are not only learning as you grow but accimulating every lesson that came before you, including the lessons of your errors adn the weight of your sin.
is that too buddist??...............do i need to give you verses? I admire your mind's eagerness.....i am thrilled that ray has been a source of blessing, but dont lock yourself into argements that you where free from before.............
what did sonofone think about for NINE years?
who was his teacher then?
Justine
Gregor:
Greetings IZM,
Gnosticism isn't a bad thing necessarily, as I did say "gnostic pride". Sorry if I ground your spirit. No intention at all. :P Remember, abbrassion is also a means to polish ;D
I guess when I use the word gnostic I'm going by a rather limited definition. Off of Dictionary.com:
4. (initial capital letter) a member of any of certain sects among the early Christians who claimed to have superior knowledge of spiritual matters, and explained the world as created by powers or agencies arising as emanations from the Godhead.
[Origin: 1555–65; < LL Gnōsticī (pl.) name of the sect < Gk gnōstikós (sing.) pertaining to knowledge, equiv. to gnōst(ós) known + -ikos -ic]
The words that grind my spirit are "superior knowledge" and "sect". The first gives me the connotation of a spiritual pride, (which I've been guilty of) and the second makes me leary, as Jesus forbids sectarianism in Mark 9:38-41. According to Eccl.1:18, "For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." I take this as an oxymoron. I'm sure partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil definately increased sorrow, but if one's gifting is teaching, then knowledge is essential. Eccl. 12:12, "...of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh." I agree that knowing God and our relationship in/with Him is of utmost importance. Peace.
G.
insanezenmistress:
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no SOlomon had it spot on..........in much knowledge there IS much sorrow, esp after the tree of knolwedge, because now a person has a lot farther to fall. Alot more to confuse.....whats that verse, about "be ye not many masters and teachers for they recieve the greater condemnation."
when a "teacher" gets something askew, not only does he go back and challenge what he knows, but his students can be tossed into .....into much tribulation.
yes thats it, the word gnostic denotes a group of people who "claimed to have superiour knowledge".....By that Definition Paul was a gnostic. Gnostic it a method of knowledge, it is not nessacarilly superiour, it is not the Only. Now to say that, in that knowledge, they are more saved, there is a problem...........
There is the gnostic pride. and that is bad juju. SOlomon knows that any knowledge can increase pride, and pride can lead to error. The bible warns us to always be teachable in our spirits. Much knowledge mingled with much pride makes many blind, and increases sorrow.
Solomon also knew that humans are bound to this, we need our Redeemer. So he condludes the whole matter. SO you dont need his gnosis, you need the gnosis in the fear of the Lord.
I guess, i think gnostisism mean "method of knowledge" and the group of people who practiced it in the mystery cults, where merely practiceing relying on the holy spirit. I would bet that it was jelouse people who said "hurmph, those people think they have superiour knowledge" If Gnosis is knowledge applied, then Gnostisism would be studying the lessons received by that application. And the cult would be a bunch of followers trying to get those lessons applied. And the pride.........
Well the pride would be the sin of us ALL.
PS you personally did not grate on my spirit. it is the way the word gnostic has been used in christian theology. I have seen the flip side of that and know the word merely means knowledge. There is no knowledge cult, and people who DO KNOW.........definately DO NOT go about bragging on their superiour knowledge, they merely know how all the more completely they are but flesh, and need their redeemer.
Justine
Redbird:
Hi G and IZM,
My understanding of the early gnostics is that they believed the Demiurge is the god of the old testament...and not Jesus Christ. They also believed that the Holy Spirit is feminine form as in Sophia, wisdom. Food for thought.
Peace and Love, Lisa
insanezenmistress:
--- Quote from: Redbird on September 21, 2007, 05:51:11 AM --- Food for thought.
Peace and Love, Lisa
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I cant say i disagree with the Holy SPirit being a female form. Shikina, wisdom crys out in the streets in Proverbs........As for the name of their gods, not being Jesus, i cant tell ya. we are a bit divorced from jsut what they where.
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