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sonofone:
The bible says that after Eve was tempted of the serpent that she did eat and gave to her husband with her and he did eat. It suggest to me that he was there with her the whole time. Thats where It says it Gen 3vs 6.Are we to assume that Adam was off somewhere else when this was happening?Even if he was not there if we have to make that assumption did Eve just walk up to him and say here Adam have some fruit? Adam was not deceived by the serpent,Eve sinned because she was deceived by the serpent as the bible states Ist Timothy 2vs 14 And Adam was not deceived,but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. nor was Jesus deceived by the serpent one obeyed God the other disobeyed Romans 5vs 19 For as by one mans disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Gregor:
Greetings Sonofone,
May I suggest going back and reading the thread "Eve deceived"? I think the last post on page 1 by Joe really has some truth to it and answers your question here, and the one posed by you on that thread. We touched on equal liberty, but that liberty was still subject to the truth, the word of God, (Faith). I think it's awesome how these threads tie together.
Your Brother in Christ,
Greg

hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: sonofone on September 26, 2007, 05:39:06 PM ---The bible says that after Eve was tempted of the serpent that she did eat and gave to her husband with her and he did eat. It suggest to me that he was there with her the whole time. Thats where It says it Gen 3vs 6.Are we to assume that Adam was off somewhere else when this was happening?Even if he was not there if we have to make that assumption did Eve just walk up to him and say here Adam have some fruit? Adam was not deceived by the serpent,Eve sinned because she was deceived by the serpent as the bible states Ist Timothy 2vs 14 And Adam was not deceived,but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. nor was Jesus deceived by the serpent one obeyed God the other disobeyed Romans 5vs 19 For as by one mans disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

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Hello again sonophone,

A lot of assumptions there my friend. So you are assuming that Adam was right there, not deceived and just stood by as Eve disobeyed God?
 
You still did not give chapter and verse for your statement that Adam was tempted by the serpent.

What would you do if a con man approached you and your wife and you recognized the scam while she thought it was the deal of a lifetime, would you just stand there watch her count the money and hand it over to him?

We went over this in the previous thread about Adam and Eve, God created Adam and knew him better than Adam knew himself. Are you assuming God just stood by scratching His beard as He breathlessly awaited Adam's free will decision? Have you considered that the intense desire Adam had for Eve was put there by God? That this was the actual cause for Adam's disobedience? His love/lust for Eve and his desire to be with her "damn the torpedoes" was caused by God, Adam embraced this decision in his heart but he was bound to do what he did because of the weakness of His flesh, God created him that way. But Adam still wanted to remain with Eve, that was his sin choosing Eve over God's Word. He could not help himself and he did not have faith in God to help either.

Adam's heart was in his decision but the pull of the (God created) flesh is what inspired it.

Isa 64:8  But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Adam had as much "free will" as the clay he was formed from.

Jer 10:23  O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
 
Jer 10:24  O LORD, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing.

His Peace to you,

Joe

hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: Gregor on September 26, 2007, 06:04:58 PM ---Greetings Sonofone,
May I suggest going back and reading the thread "Eve deceived"? I think the last post on page 1 by Joe really has some truth to it and answers your question here, and the one posed by you on that thread. We touched on equal liberty, but that liberty was still subject to the truth, the word of God, (Faith). I think it's awesome how these threads tie together.
Your Brother in Christ,
Greg

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Thanks Gregor,

I was typing the above response as you were posting.  ;)

Peace,

Joe

sonofone:
With all due respect Joe you say I make a lot of assumptions but then everything you say is an assumption as well? I did give chapter and verse for everything I said The scripture says that Adam was with her. And as I stated even if I say that he was not there as the scripture says he was. What explanation did Eve give Adam to take of the fruit? Would you suggest to me that Adam knew nothing of this temptation of Eve.He just blindly took of the fruit.And unto Adam he said because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife and hast eaten of the tree.She didn't simply hand it to him.

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