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Living in the Spirit vs. Walking in the Spirit
rocky:
What amazes me is when a non believer will stay up all night with a friend who is contemplating suicide and just hold them, and protect them, and care for them;
when a stranger steps in front of a car to save a person they don't even know,
when a stranger dives into icy waters to save a drowning person,
when a mom who has lost her child from cancer and is in unbelievable pain will be comforted, be held, loved, brought food for dinners; etc.,
when a person carries groceries for an old woman struggling to get out of the grocery store.
are these acts of "tree of knowledge of good and evil??, or agape love??
some of the struggles i am going through in understanding God's love, and the work of the spirit??
And where is the gifts of the spirit?? do we really see prophecies that are true?? Are healings true?? Tongues has been refuted by Ray as false?? Why are there no more books of the bible being written??
We call things we do as acts of the spirit?? how do we really know??
Sorry for rambling, like i said some personal questions/struggles i go through.
chuckt:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 28, 2007, 09:51:05 AM ---Hi chuckt,
We do not become spiritually mature at first. We start out as babes and have to grow up, learning our lessons along the way, to become like Christ.
1Peter 2:2 Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up to salvation--
It's a process ;)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
hi kat
yes i understand that, ive been at it a long time.
i guess what im saying is :
when my mind is set on the things above, fruit is automatically generated, ie: love joy peace patience..etc.
when my mind is set on things below i get frustrated. the more i grow, or should i say, the more Christ is formed in me the more my mind is
on things above, yet at times i think we need to be shown we still dwell in a fleshly tabernacle as not to be puffed up.
does that make sense?
peace
chuckt
chuckt:
--- Quote from: rocky on September 28, 2007, 10:02:20 AM ---What amazes me is when a non believer will stay up all night with a friend who is contemplating suicide and just hold them, and protect them, and care for them;
when a stranger steps in front of a car to save a person they don't even know,
when a stranger dives into icy waters to save a drowning person,
when a mom who has lost her child from cancer and is in unbelievable pain will be comforted, be held, loved, brought food for dinners; etc.,
when a person carries groceries for an old woman struggling to get out of the grocery store.
are these acts of "tree of knowledge of good and evil??, or agape love??
some of the struggles i am going through in understanding God's love, and the work of the spirit??
And where is the gifts of the spirit?? do we really see prophecies that are true?? Are healings true?? Tongues has been refuted by Ray as false?? Why are there no more books of the bible being written??
We call things we do as acts of the spirit?? how do we really know??
Sorry for rambling, like i said some personal questions/struggles i go through.
--- End quote ---
i personally think gods love knows no bounds and he works thru all men for all are in and by and thru him.
these so called non beleivers might not just be ""orthodox" i personally beleive even the atheist in the deep down rescess
of his mind beleives in a God just not as portrayed by "orthodox" and so they be not verbal about it.
either way Christ gets all the glory....as well he should :D
peace
euty
Deborah-Leigh:
Some know what God wants and they obey. That's walking the walk and not just talking the talk.
Some know what Gods wants and they say they will obey and don't/can't.
We are all sustained by His Spirit but few live in His Image. Many are yet dead in their sins.
Few are alive in His Spirit and will find that their names are written in the Book of Life.
As I see this, we are not all alive spiritually yet. We are not all living in obedience to His way that took up His own cross and laid down His life.
We need His power and Spirit to be able to obey and follow Him. We only have the conception in us of His Spirit. So for me, there are very few who are walking and all of the rest of us are not even born again yet! ;D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
DuluthGA:
So many interesting thoughts from all of you!
Kat, "it's a process" (sure is!) thanks for giving us 1Pet 2:2... add to this also:
Isaiah 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. Kewl, ey? Answers: Those whom He is putting through the process, hmmm? Those that no longer need the milk but are able to chew a little meat (a mature action...) walk the walk, hmmm? GOOD ONE! HA! :)
Chuck... "it's wacky, it's a conundrum..." And I'm with you! And... it's a paradox and a dichotomy!
Paradox: [I'll pick definition #3 in an online dictionary]: one (as a person, situation, or action) having seemingly contradictory qualities or phases.
Dichotomy: [Picking definition #4 of an online dictionary]: something with seemingly contradictory qualities.
I personally consider God dichotomous and paradoxal for several reasons. Just a few: He is obviously has both male and female in "Him" yet He apparently per His Word emphasizes only the [male] father/sonship part. Also, He is Spirit yet comes down to man's level in His Word relating that He has rather fleshly "emotions". Finally, He creates us (all) for eventual union with Him, the chosen first, and we really cannot do a good thing without His indwelling spirit, yet we are supposed to try to reach His prize.
THIS IS OUR GOD!!! HOW CAN WE KNOW HIM?? RECEIVE KNOWLEDGE?? GROW??
I love Rocky's comments, sort of like, well why then do atheists perform some phenomenal good acts as fruits of His spirit?
WHO KNOWS? ONLY GOD!
Eccl 3: 11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Chuck is right-on, all for His glory... and ours eventually as well as we are His family and He loves us.... ALL, each one, ALL. ;)
Isaiah 43: 7b I created them to bring glory to me. I formed them and made them."
I just can't put it all together in my head. To me, God is somewhere in like the 16th dimension... so I kind of wonder about Him a lot in my head.... and trust Him a lot.
I think of things like.... well when all is said and done.... when God is all in all....
how can there be the fruits of the spirts, how can there be love and peace, etc., when there no longer is any evil or contrast?? I DON'T KNOW!
But I trust there WILL BE some kind of all-enduring spiritual GOODNESS that TRULY IS GOD, and somehow we will ALL be able to partake.
The best for last, Arcturus: We need His power and Spirit to be able to obey and follow Him. We only have the conception in us of His Spirit.
Oh happy day to come, 8) :P
Joy,
Janice
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