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Jesus Nature?
indianabob:
Sonofone,
I'm not sure how to phrase the following so please interpolate as needed.
Adam was created new and without a history of sin to his account.
Adam and then Eve were perhaps sinless for a time until sin was found in them.
However, Adam was not as yet perfected. Adam had not overcome temptation because he had not been exposed to the difference between evil and good.
Adam was created by God and all that God created was good for its purpose. It doesn't necessarily follow that Adam was perfect because perfection is attained over time by a process of exercising the Spirit of Christ in our daily lives.
Adam was created an adult with powers of reasoning and I suppose language but without a history.
In somewhat similar manner a baby is born and begins to experience life without a history of sin or of selfishness other than wanting and needing tender care. At some point in a child's development it becomes aware that it can manipulate its environment or the people in its environment and that is what leads to selfish desire. I don't know when this can become temptation to sin, I suppose it depends upon the care it receives from the parents. When does a child realize that it can make choices that are selfish? Is awareness of evil intent necessary for sin to follow?
Adam of course was fully capable the moment he became conscious or at some later time as God counseled him and imparted essential knowledge. I don't think we know how or when that could have been.
So, I don't think we can say that Adam was created perfect as Jesus was perfect.
comments anyone.
indianabob
Gregor:
Greetings,
Just a couple verses to consider:
Rom.4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom.5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Would God telling Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil be considered the first law?
sonofone:
Indiana and Gregor I see you are thinking. I am not going to say right now what I think about this.Jesus asked the Pharisees whether they believed Johns Baptism was from heaven or men and they would not answer because they knew the ramifications. Matthew 21 vs 23-27.
Gregor:
Greetings sonofone,
I'm not sure what you meant by the last comments you made. ??? I see that you too are thinking, and that's all good as far as I'm concerned. Keep up the good work. ;) My previous post wasn't directed specifically at you, but just a general thought/question I'm throwing out to all who are posting here, "interpolating" as indiana put it, so feel free to reserve your thoughts if you feel there will be ramifications (none from me! I hope you don't think I'm a Pharasee trying to bait you into something?). I'm open to PM if that feels less threatening. I don't have all the answers either, and certainly don't have all the right questions. But one thing I do know, I really enjoy your participation in these threads and hope that you don't get frustrated too easily. Remember, no one here, L. Ray included, will have all the answers. Otherwise 1Cor.13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. - would be of no effect. Remember it's a journey to the final destination, so enjoy it as much as possible. Kinda like having presents wrapped, waiting for the day you can finally open them and receive the joyful surprise. ;D
Your Brother in Christ,
G.
sonofone:
I'm sorry Gregor that's not what I meant by that. I enjoy your feedback as well. I do feel the need to pull up so to speak intellectually as to not to stir the pot to much,and out of respect to all those who enjoy the forum. I hope to never get to a place where people see my post and run the other way. I really want to learn and put my stuff out here to see if I'm missing it somewhere but I have to be cautious just the same. That's all I meant by that.
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