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Harryfeat:

--- Quote from: LittleBear on September 29, 2007, 11:39:37 AM ---I always felt sorry for Judas, because he was remorseful, and like Ray said, took the easier way out. I wonder what he thought would happen if he stuck around, and why did he think suicide was the only way for him? Anyway, I think perhaps he became a type or parable of those who are running the race, and then when adversity strikes, they fall away.(please God, keep us!) Or like you say CIY, which is even closer to home, whenever we sell Jesus out so that the princes of the world will approve of us, we betray Him. That is too easy to do, and look at the imagery of what this looks like to God:

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.

Not nice.

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Hello Little Bear,

I also hold a bit of empathy for Judas.  He was one of the chosen twelve, yet God's plan for him was to betray Jesus to his accusers.  We are very quick to say that Judas will be thrown into the LOF with the rest who are not elect or not in the book of life according to Revelations.  How do we know that he is not ultimately one elect. He repented and his remorse was so great that he did himself in.  Was he in such mental anguish as will be endured in the LOF.  Was his LOF actually being described to us as we see his final acts of despair.  Remember that he is still under the old law.  In his mind, stoning would be his just punishment[yet not practical to be self inflicted ;-)]

What can be said of those who commit suicide when in an extreme case of mental duress?  I do not see how we can be so quick to judge Judas as not utlimately being one of the elect.
Mat 19:28 And, Jesus, said unto them—Verily, I say unto you, As for you who followed me in the regeneration, When the Son of Man shall take his seat on his throne of glory, ye also, shall be seated upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Who is to sit in throne number 12 if Jesus was not referring to Judas?


In my opinion it is not up to me to decide whether Judas is not written in the book of life and to be thrown into the LOF.  I am not the final judge.

be blessed
feat

LittleBear:

--- Quote from: Harryfeat on September 29, 2007, 01:06:47 PM ---  Was he in such mental anguish as will be endured in the LOF.  Was his LOF actually being described to us as we see his final acts of despair. 
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That's interesting feat, I never thought of it that way about Judas,

dawnnnny:
Good point Feat, it does make one wonder....

ciy:
We should feel empathy for Judas because Judas is us.

CIY

skydreamers:
Acts 1:16-18
"Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.  For he was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry."  (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out.

splagchnon
Thayer Definition:
1) bowels, intestines, (the heart, lungs, liver, etc.)
1a) bowels
1b) the bowels were regarded as the seat of the more violent passions, such as anger and love; but by the Hebrews as the seat of the tenderer affections, especially kindness, benevolence, compassion; hence our heart (tender mercies, affections, etc.)
1c) a heart in which mercy resides

I found it interesting to look into this word and how it is used in other scripture.  Look at this:

2 Corinthians 6:11-13
We have spoken freely to you, Corinthians; our heart is wide open.  You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted in your own affections.  In return (I speak as to children) widen your hearts also.


Philippians 1:8
For God is my witness, how I yearn for you all with the affection of Christ Jesus.

Philippians 2:1
So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy

Colossians 3:12
Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender feelings of mercy, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, long-suffering,

Philemon 1:7
For I have derived much joy and comfort from your love, my brother, because the hearts of the saints have been refreshed through you.

1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

Perhaps this is a clue as to what was going on with Judas in his final hours...

Peace,
Diana

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