Hi Rocky,
Please tell me how Jesus could be a "son" before being tested in the wilderness, and before proving his faith.
I don't think Jesus had to prove anything to be considered the Son of God, He was the Son of the Most High by being born of the Holy Spirit. He always Referred to God as His Father, while on earth, even as a child He referred to God as His Father.
Luke 2:49 And He said to them, Why did you look for Me? Do you not know that I must be about My Father's business?
John 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Moses did not give you that bread from Heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from Heaven.
Mat 12:50 For whoever shall do the will of My Father in Heaven, the same is My brother and sister and mother.
Please tell me how Paul could address carnal Christians as bretheren, despite being carnal.
Col 1:23 .....of which I, Paul, became a minister,
v. 24 who now rejoice in my sufferings on your behalf, and I fill up the things lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh, on behalf of His body, which is the church;
v. 25 of which I became a minister, according to the administration of God given to me for you, to fulfill the Word of God;
He wrote those letters to the people that He and the other Apostles had taught the truth and were continuing to minister to them. These were those scattered groups of brethren he was ministering to by sending them these letters, and I would think there were babes that were yet carnal in these groups.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
But in this scripture, I think Paul is asking a sarcastic question, because this is not what they should be doing.
A few scriptures down he ask another question, saying they should be living right if the Holy Spirit is indwelling or God will deal with them.
1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
v. 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are.
Just the way I see this in the scripture.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Hi Kat, i personally think there is some interesting parallels with the baptism of Jesus in the jordan, the spirit coming upon him, named "beloved son", and then sent out into the wilderness.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he
was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw
the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying,
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mat 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Seems there is spiritual parallel for us:
1. baptized into Christ's death via faith:
our baptism, (representative of Christ's baptism in the jordan)
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
then receiving of the spirit
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you,
Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the
promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the
promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
(Gal 3:26) For ye are all the
children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might
receive the adoption of sons. Gal 4:6 And because
ye are sons, God hath sent
forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 2. My beloved son status given to us, through faith and the spirit
Gal 4:7 Wherefore
thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. 3. led out to the wilderness, as son's; for the trying of our faith. Because we are sons, then chastisement (our wilderness journey). In this journey, learn obedience, and by God's grace stay faithul, and dont' fall back to works of the law.
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye ********, and not sons.
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for
they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he
standeth take heed lest he fall.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Seems to me a great parrallel.
1.Jesus baptized, given son status, then tried in the wilderness
2. Those chosen, baptized into Christ's death via faith, given son status, then led into wilderness for chastisement and trying of our faith.
those who stay faithful to the end will be saved.
I see the "son"ship being given before fully matured in the wilderness. are not these "sons" not our brothers?
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