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rocky:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
When did the Father pronounce him "beloved Son"
before of after he was led into the wilderness to be tried and tempted.
Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
And here, Paul addresses carnal Christians as bretheren:
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Please tell me how Jesus could be a "son" before being tested in the wilderness, and before proving his faith.
Please tell me how Paul could address carnal Christians as bretheren, despite being carnal.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
We are an heir by faith, not by works of the law. To me this is the dividing point between bretheren vs non bretheren. We are stil bretheren before and during the wilderness trial if we have faith in the cross, not in the works of the law;
IMO, God doesn't require us to be fully mature before we are brothers.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: rocky on October 06, 2007, 01:10:27 PM ---Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
When did the Father pronounce him "beloved Son"
before of after he was led into the wilderness to be tried and tempted.
Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
And here, Paul addresses carnal Christians as bretheren:
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Please tell me how Jesus could be a "son" before being tested in the wilderness, and before proving his faith.
Please tell me how Paul could address carnal Christians as bretheren, despite being carnal.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
We are an heir by faith, not by works of the law. To me this is the dividing point between bretheren vs non bretheren. We are stil bretheren before and during the wilderness trial if we have faith in the cross, not in the works of the law;
IMO, God doesn't require us to be fully mature before we are brothers.
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Yea but rocky it's not as black and white as you make it seem.
There are the scriptures in which Christ called 'THE JEWS THAT BELIEVED ON HIM' of their father THE DEVIL.
Who are the 'jews that believed on him' today? Christ does not change. Is it not christendom, that believes on Christ, yet cries 'crucify him' at every turn? I'm not saying we are any better people of our own, but i think God has called us out of this darkness, so that we are not apart of it.
So are they are bretheren, or are they of the devil? You see what i'm saying? It's not so black and white, atleast to me it isn't. I guess i just need to prayu about this a whole lot.
God bless and thanks for your imput,
Alex
rocky:
Again, how could Paul call carnal Christians bretheren??
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: rocky on October 06, 2007, 01:18:31 PM ---Again, how could Paul call carnal Christians bretheren??
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I really don't know.. i wish i had the answers.. i'm gonna pray. Perhaps you do. God bless you for that, for me, i just need to pray and perhaps you could pray for me as well.
God bless,
Alex
rocky:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on October 06, 2007, 01:20:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on October 06, 2007, 01:18:31 PM ---Again, how could Paul call carnal Christians bretheren??
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I really don't know.. i wish i had the answers.. i'm gonna pray. Perhaps you do. God bless you for that, for me, i just need to pray and perhaps you could pray for me as well.
God bless,
Alex
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1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
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