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Gregor:
Greetings,
LOF Part 1 types (as in Adam corresponding with Christ, Rom. 5:12-21)
So what does that make Eve a type of, and what signifigance is there in that she was deceived?
Here's what I've found, to get the conversation going, but I'll leave it up to you to look up and read the scripture references and then make your comments.
Gen. 2:18-25
v.18 a helper
v.21 deep sleep, side was opened
v.22 rib from man made into woman, presented to man
v.23 woman taken out of man
v.24 man leaves father and mother, two become one
v.25 both naked, unashamed
Eph.5:30-32 Christ and the Church
Jn. 14:16 a helper
Jn.19:33,34 Jesus was already dead, side pierced, opened and out came blood and water.
Blood: Lev.17:11; Jn. 6:63
Water: Eph. 5:25-27; Titus 3:5,6
Additional references: Jn.3:5-7,13-17; 2Cor.11:2,3; Acts 22:16; Rom.10:8-11; Rev.19:7-9; Jn.17:11
I look forward to hearing your thoughts :)
G.
sonofone:
Thanks for starting a new post G,this helps to keep issues separate. I promise to post a response to this question once I get back from my doctors appointment.
sonofone:
I can't go as deep as you may be looking for G,but I will give you what I have. When I heard this question I thought about your post where you mentioned equal liberty,prior to the sin,or transgression.Gen 3 vs 16thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee. Galatians 3vs 28there is nether male or female for you all are the sons of God by faith in Jesus Christ. Prior to the fall I believe it was the same. If they had not sinned than Jesus would have been their head as he is the church's head and there would not have been any need for Adam to have the rule over her.,God set up a chain of command.For the purpose of order. After the fall God put us in positions,Husband head of the wife.Eve sinning without Adam would have brought judgement on Eve only when Adam followed judgement fell on all.Since he was the head then everything gets referred back to Adam It is the cost for being the Boss.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Gregor on October 03, 2007, 03:23:59 AM ---Greetings,
LOF Part 1 types (as in Adam corresponding with Christ, Rom. 5:12-21)
So what does that make Eve a type of, and what signifigance is there in that she was deceived?
Here's what I've found, to get the conversation going, but I'll leave it up to you to look up and read the scripture references and then make your comments.
Gen. 2:18-25
v.18 a helper
v.21 deep sleep, side was opened
v.22 rib from man made into woman, presented to man
v.23 woman taken out of man
v.24 man leaves father and mother, two become one
v.25 both naked, unashamed
Eph.5:30-32 Christ and the Church
Jn. 14:16 a helper
Jn.19:33,34 Jesus was already dead, side pierced, opened and out came blood and water.
Blood: Lev.17:11; Jn. 6:63
Water: Eph. 5:25-27; Titus 3:5,6
Additional references: Jn.3:5-7,13-17; 2Cor.11:2,3; Acts 22:16; Rom.10:8-11; Rev.19:7-9; Jn.17:11
I look forward to hearing your thoughts :)
G.
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THis is an article i wrote a WHILE back.
Begin article;
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
With that in mind let us continue;
Gen 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
What we are being told here is that as humanity [eve] came out of Christ [adam], so did Christ come out from the Father;
John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Now many of you are probably wondering where i got 'humanity' out of adam and eve, well let me show you;
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
What are we told about the 'eve,' or 'all living things?'
Genesis 3:16 Thy desire shall be to [properly translated AGAINST] thy husband and he shall rule over thee"
Now many see this as teaching that Man is to rule over women, but how did the apostle paul see this?
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Ephesians 5:30-32 "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Adam is the figure of Christ, He is the visible, making the invisible clearly seen. Eve represents humanity, and all of us, likewise 'the church.' This shows how the church, and all humanity will be ruled over by 'Christ.'
Ephesians 5:23 "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
We are also told that this 'women' the 'mother of all living' [eve] is naturaly against her 'husband' or 'man'[adam]. What does this reveal to us? It shows us that all of humanity [eve] is naturaly AGAINST God [ adam the fire of Christ to come], by the very sinful nature he was created in.
Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is enmity [Deep seated hatred] against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
So understanding that Adam is the figure of Christ, and Eve represents all humanity, we can understand Eve is 'bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh' for adam, so is all humanity for Christ, we all came out of Christ, and we all are 'in Christ.'
Ephesians 1:10 "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist
Colossians 1:20 "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Romans 11:36 "For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Talking to pagan Athenians, Paul make this amazing statement:
Act 17:28 For in him[God, through Christ] we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring
Now we are coming to the point and reason i am writting to you and i hope you recieve it all, keeping in mind what has been said;
1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
What is really being said here? Isn't the fact that adam wasn't decieved, but eve was, make adams sin far worse then eve's because he willingly partook of that fruit when he was not decieved?
The point being made here is NOT that adam's sin was far worse, the point is that Adam, willingly partook of the FRUIT OF DEATH, so that he would NOT be SEPERATED from Eve.
Likewise, Christ died for HUMANITY, so Humanity would NOT be seperated from Him.
Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
What is the ultimate point of understanding that Adam willingly died with eve, so to not be seperated from her, what is the point of seeing this as a shadow of Christ dieng for the 'mother of ALL LIVING?' It is to see that;
1 Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."
Feel free to discuss.
PS THIS WAS AN ARTICLE I WROTE A WHILE BACK, SOME THINGS MAY BE INACCURATE DUE TO MY LACK OF UNDERSTANDING BEFORE. IS ANYTHING IS INNACURATE PLEASE LET ME KNOW, AND I WILL GLADLY CHANGE IT WITH PROPER UNDERSTANDING AND GUIDANCE.
I have one LAST question;
Is CHRIST really the HEAD OF EVERYMAN? EVEN HITLER?
1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Thanks and God bless!
Alex
PPS. Caps for emphasis and to get your attention, not yelling :D
Harryfeat:
Hello Alex,
Kudos on an excellent analysis of types, shadows, similitudes and parallels. I enjoyed it and got a lot out of it.
A while back I had been working on the angle of why Eve was deceived and Adam was not. Is there something in the makeup of Eve that makes her more prone to the heart and therefore requiring some of Adam's control. What was taken from Adam that would require this? How does Eve's role as mother tie in with these things? It seems that what is in Eve was once in Adam. Is it the opposites kinds of things that are attracting for them to become one? Just a few things from a different angle that I thought about.
--- Quote ---Is CHRIST really the HEAD OF EVERYMAN? EVEN HITLER?
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I thought you answered that question quite nicely with those great verses you posted about the Christ reconciling things to Himself. However, here are some verses from Ephesians to consider.
Eph 1:20 which he energised in the Christ, when he raised him from among the dead, and seated him at his right hand in the heavenlies,
Eph 1:21 Over-above all principality, authority, and power, and lordship, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the coming one,
Eph 1:22 And did put, all things, in subjection beneath his feet. And gave him to be head over all things unto the assembly,
Eph 1:23 Which, indeed, is his body, the fulness of him who, the all things in all, is for himself filling up.
Be blessed
feat
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