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earnest of spirit
rocky:
This was stated by arcturus on another thread and has got me thinking.
"Only Christ can give us conversion by giving us the deposit of His Spirit that is not given in full to any."
Does this mean the Holy Spirit we have is only "in part", say for example 10, or 15, or 20 percent, but not "in fullness" (for example 100%) and we will at the consumation receive 100 percent "fullness of spirit".
Is this what earnest means? We have been given "part" of the Holy Spirit and yet will receive "all" of the Holy Spirit?
or does earnest mean
we have received a "pledge", a promise, the Holy Spirit which guarantees more to come, but that more isn't "more of the Holy Spirit" but more meaning ,manifested adoption as sons, full heirship.
So in other words what is it that we will receive in full? the Holy Spirit or heirship? or are these the same thing?
any thoughts? hope this makes sense.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: rocky on October 07, 2007, 05:40:15 PM ---This was stated by arcturus on another thread and has got me thinking.
"Only Christ can give us conversion by giving us the deposit of His Spirit that is not given in full to any."
Does this mean the Holy Spirit we have is only "in part", say for example 10, or 15, or 20 percent, but not "in fullness" (for example 100%) and we will at the consumation receive 100 percent "fullness of spirit".
Is this what earnest means? We have been given "part" of the Holy Spirit and yet will receive "all" of the Holy Spirit?
or does earnest mean
we have received a "pledge", a promise, by the Holy Spirit which guarantees more to come, but that more isn't "more of the Holy Spirit" but more meaning ,manifested adoption as sons, full heirship.
So in other words what is it that we will receive in full? the Holy Spirit or the promise of heirship? or are these the same thing?
any thoughts? hope this makes sense.
--- End quote ---
We are not BORN of God, yet we are concieved of God by His holy spirit. The fullness to come is to be born of God into the kingdom, no longer able to sin, and powerful and invisible like the wind.
How much of the Holy spirit we have right now? I don't know, we are told we are given the EARNEST DOWNPAYMENT. So we don't have the FULNESS, but does that mean we only have part of the holy spirit not? Hmm not sure, i know we are not yet born of God, that for sure is not in its fullness, since we are bieng concieved. Other then that though, your guess is as good as mine.
God bless,
Alex
rocky:
Here are some thoughts. The "Earnest" is a pledge or guarantee of a future reward.
The earnest of spirit is an assurance to believers of the redemption yet to come, a future receiving of the inheritance, or as Alex says a pledge of future "born again".
A pledge of future blessedness to come. This blessedness is the new heaven and new earth promised to Abraham and his seed (the Christ and his chosen)
Could it be, that as a pledge/assurance that the "seed" would inherit the kingdom, the earnest of spirit was given. Could this pledge be the gifts of the spirit? Is receiving the earnest evidence of obeying the right message??
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Heb 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
The earnest of spirit (gifts of spirit) are evidence of obeying the correct gospel. evidence of the promise to come??
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
1Co 12:7 But, unto each one, is given the manifesting of the Spirit, with a view to that which is profitable;
manifestig:
G5321
φανερωσις
phanerōsis
fan-er'-o-sis
From G5319; exhibition, that is, (figuratively) expression, (by extension) a bestowment: - manifestation.
any thoughts?
jER:
Just a thought:
"For the earnest expectation of the creature (creation) waits for the manifestation of the Sons of God." (Romans 8:19)
An Intense Anticipation before hand. (see - Philippians 1:20…and my hope)
"Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." (II Corinthians 1:22)
A pledge – in part; take pleasure in - for a three stranded cord, or braid cannot be easily broken. (see also II Corinthians 5:5…given to us; and Ephesians 1:14… of our inheritance)
"And not be his coming Only, but by the consolation wherewith He was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your fervent mind toward me: so that I REJOICE THE MORE." (II Corinthians 7:7)
A longing for, as in a deep craving.
"But thanks, be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you." (II Corinthians 8:16)
With an eagerness to "study," show yourselves approved.
"Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let it slip [or drift away.]" (Hebrews 2:1)
In quality and quantity, more abundantly.
It would appear that we are given a foot-stool in which to stand. A leg up, if you will, over others, before all are Reconciled.
PRE – before hand and EMINENCE; a position of honor or distinction.
Hope to see you at Graduation - in His Glory!
-jER
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Rocky
We will have the fullness of the measure of the Spirit of Christ when Eph 4 : 14 ...we may no longer be children, tossed like ships to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, the prey of the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, gamblers engaged in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead.
We shall have the fullness of the measure of the Spirit of Christ if we raised to spiritual life in Christ in the Resurrection to Life with and in Christ rather than to judgment to bring us to righteousness in the second death LOF.
We shall have the fullness of the measure of the Spirit of Christ when we have ( Future after resurrection I believe in our born again state in the Kingdom of God ) developed and attained oneness in the faith and in the comprehension of the full and accurate knowledge of the Son of God having arrived at really mature manhood and the completeness of personality which is nothing less than the standard height of Christ's own perfection, the MEASURE OF THE STATURE OF THE FULLNESS OF THE CHRIST AND THE COMPLETENESS FOUND IN HIM. Eph 4 : 13
Please note. Caps used for emphasis not to demean or belittle or look down upon or shout at but simply to bring out emphasis as is in my thoughts not in any malice towards anyone.
Therefore as is taught here via Ray Smith, non are born again or are as yet saved.
Rocky, Jer and Alex, you do well to present the Word of God.
Peace to you all
Arcturus :)
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