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Deborah-Leigh:
The book titled "God's ultimate passion" has a chapter titled Fallen yet cherished in the first part of the book.
i see that Myles Munroe also is a person that endorses Viola. I am familiar with Munroes works and theology.
It is revealed and taught here in BT that there is no such thing as the FALL of Adam or Eve. God knew and planned everything. God is Sovereign. God did not make a mistake. God is perfect and His design is in the process of making us into the image of His Son. There were no surprises for God that Eve took the forbidden fruit. She was exactly in the PLAN of God and her life is on record for our instruction and admonition not to say she FELL from perfection or the image of God into carnality which is taught endorsed and believed in Babyon. Eve was carnal. First the natural then the spiritual right?
All is exactly as God has purposed and planned. Non can go against God's purpose and we all go against God's Will. This is the Plan. Eventually as in first the natural then the spiritual we too will go from first being against God's Will to arrive in Gods perfect Will all via Gods Sovereign Plan.
A teacher, author or pastor who does not know that God IS Sovereign is for me a teacher author or pastor of falsity, errors and deception.
Personally I have no incling to run after what is falsely called knowledge and spiritual illumination. Right here for free are Truths that lead for me, straight to the heart and mind of God. For free....Given freely by HIS Spirit of Truth and made freely available to all those who would believe and endure.
Just my thoughts... :)
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
indianabob:
YES MA'AM, Arcturus,
Once you have been enlightened, the truth seems so obvious and clear.
I do feel a little sorry for those who are still struggling on their own understanding, but I am not tempted to explore their theology other than to help them discard it. However, I haven't yet developed the confidence in my ability to give an answer for the faith that I've been given. Still a work in progress.
Thanks for your thoughts,
indianabob
dawnnnny:
Hi everyone. Well I'm going to just pipe in with my opinion.
I am very thankful for the truths revealed in the BT website from the Word of God
I am also thankful to Ray for his teaching.
With that said, no man is an island, and I did not just "pop" into BT without a lot of teaching from others.
God started revealing to me about His sovereignty as I read a book by R. C. Sproul (Chosen By God), and yet Sproul is a trinitarian and I'm sure he probably believes in hell. Yet the scriptures he used spoke so strongly about the sovereignty of God and the folly of human free will. I am thankful to him for the purpose in my life that he played.
I've read other writings where I walked away with some good and discarded (over time) what thankfully God showed me was error.
So I do believe that teachers (even Ray) have both truth and error. No one has it 100% right.
Ultimately its up to us, through study and prayer, to discern which is which. That is all part of this journey.
So I may read some others work and do as I always do, ask for Godly wisdom.
I think we all will be quite surprised when we enter His Kingdom of how much we didn't understand that we thought we did. :)
sonofone:
Dawn you hit it on the head for me. I love Ray,and all you guys here,but no one has it all right.I have read some of Violas works here recently and they are really speaking to me. I don't know him personally,or all that he believes or who endorses him.What I have read from him so far coincides with what I have learned here and that is to come out of the organized church and learn Jesus afresh.Who can argue against that. By the way it is my understanding that Ray does not hold himself out as the leader,or teacher of us,or anyone.Why does there seem to be such a devotion to what he has to say,when it seems that he is not looking for this or asking this of anyone?
Deborah-Leigh:
Ray does not hold himself out as the leader,or teacher of us,or anyone.Why does there seem to be such a devotion to what he has to say,when it seems that he is not looking for this or asking this of anyone? Quote sonofone.
Ray does say that he is a teacher he just doesn't make an idol of the fact and he also holds himself out as a sinner too, just like all of us.
Indianabob
I too experience my mouth being shut and not opening in the occasion that I am with deceived and blinded folks but I believe it is the Lord keeping me still because He is after all, in controll of all and every one. On other occasions I am given to speak and with great joy, the words that flow I can really say, are guided and inspired by Him. Those times are wonderful but are select not by my will or desire but by His. If He wants you to speak, you will!
We are all a work in progress! :)
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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