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Kat:
sonofone,
--- Quote ---So Kat is this topic now fair game? as Ray has no specific teaching on this matter?
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What do you mean? If Ray doesn't teach on something, then anybody can teach it here?
This forum's purpose is not for us to teach our own understanding, but to mainly concentrate on studying and learning from what is already presented at BT. I am aware that a good bit of teaching from others does go on here, but our focus should be on learning from the BT site and not teaching here.
Excerpt from forum http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3.0.html
THE IMPORTANT STUFF:
This forum is primarily a place for people of a like mind to fellowship, and secondarily to discuss and question what they learn on bible-truths.com.
If you seriously disagree with Ray, please email him directly.
If you come here to teach us, please take your teaching elsewhere.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
sonofone:
Wow Arcturus that was a total ripping apart of my post,which I actually found entertaining LOL I kept imagining you as a computer who could not compute information that has not already been programed into you. I mean you know disrespect,it is just laughable the way you dismantled every single part of it.I for now will not choose to rebuff what you have said,not because I can't because God knows I am more than capable of breaking down everything you said point by point,but rather because I fear it would yield no fruit.That is to say that it would be fruitless,it would not be or lead to a healthy, profitable discussion,only an agreement to agree to disagree. So to each his own if this is what you believe far be it from me to teach you otherwise.
sonofone:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 15, 2007, 03:44:16 PM ---
sonofone,
--- Quote ---So Kat is this topic now fair game? as Ray has no specific teaching on this matter?
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What do you mean? If Ray doesn't teach on something, then anybody can teach it here?
This forum's purpose is not for us to teach our own understanding, but to mainly concentrate on studying and learning from what is already presented at BT. I am aware that a good bit of teaching from others does go on here, but our focus should be on learning from the BT site and not teaching here.
SONOFONE: Kat that neither what I said or what I meant. I was responding to a question posed by Indiana Bob,and said that I to have thought about this but would reserve my opinion on the question in favor of what Ray may have already taught. I further stated that if Ray has not spoken to this question that I would consider it fair game for me to share my opinion,not teaching on this question,as that would not be offering anything contrary to what Ray teaches. So again before giving my OPINION,not Teaching, I asked you after seeing your post was it fair game for me to post my OPINION, on the topic. That is what I meant. Are we clear now ?
Excerpt from forum http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3.0.html
THE IMPORTANT STUFF:
This forum is primarily a place for people of a like mind to fellowship, and secondarily to discuss and question what they learn on bible-truths.com.
If you seriously disagree with Ray, please email him directly.
If you come here to teach us, please take your teaching elsewhere.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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See my response under your question
hillsbororiver:
The question has been brought up here on what the apostles may have thought about works they did in the name of Jesus and if they thought they would be alive at His return, actually we have scripture where Jesus responds to Peter when Peter displays his carnal nature by once again taking his eyes off of Christ while discussing what lay ahead.
Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Joh 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
Jesus made no promise that the apostles would be alive at His return, in fact the implication was made that they would not.
The apostles were well aware of the writings of "the men of old" and how these inspired writings survived through time into their age, would they have thought their own inspired (by His Spirit) writings could not stand the test of time and become irrelevant? They knew the ancient manuscripts from Moses on down survived and they also knew that the same God who Moses served was also their Master and quite capable of preserving His Word to suit His purpose.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
We also know that the Lord's chosen disciples saw and heard things from Jesus that were not written down;
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
rocky:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on October 15, 2007, 06:50:11 PM ---The question has been brought up here on what the apostles may have thought about works they did in the name of Jesus and if they thought they would be alive at His return, actually we have scripture where Jesus responds to Peter when Peter displays his carnal nature by once again taking his eyes off of Christ while discussing what lay ahead.
Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Joh 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
Jesus made no promise that the apostles would be alive at His return, in fact the implication was made that they would not.
The apostles were well aware of the writings of "the men of old" and how these inspired writings survived through time into their age, would they have thought their own inspired (by His Spirit) writings could not stand the test of time and become irrelevant? They knew the ancient manuscripts from Moses on down survived and they also knew that the same God who Moses served was also their Master and quite capable of preserving His Word to suit His purpose.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
We also know that the Lord's chosen disciples saw and heard things from Jesus that were not written down;
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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I personally don't agree that the apostles didn't believe that Christ was coming soon, very soon.
Matthew 16:27-28 (NKJV) "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
The new testament is full of scripture of an imminent return of Christ. A "short" period of time, "about to come".
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5624.msg45404.html#msg45404
Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
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