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Grateful:
THANK you, Arcturus, for your rendering of our 'Full Clothing' (of Christ's Righteousness over our selves) ! It definitely helps enlighten all of us regarding the word "covering". I would venture to say that none of us here at BT Forums want to be found without Christ's Covering when He comes back!
:D ,
Linda
skydreamers:
More on Jesus as our covering from Ray:
JESUS CHRIST IS OUR COVERING
We just read where the Apostles were on a boat on the sea of Galilee and were, "…COVERED with waves…" I see another type here. What do the "raging waves of the sea" symbolize?
Jude tells us that, "filthy dreamers," who "defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities," "brute beasts," those who have "gone the way of Can," and are after "the error of Balaam," and those who "perished in the gainsaying of core," these are "spots in your feasts of charity … RAGING WAVES OF THE SEA…" (Jude 8-13).
Say, did you notice where these "filthy dreamers, brute beasts, raging waves of the sea" are located. That’s right—IN THE CHURCH. These evil people are eating right along with the rest in the Church’s "feasts of charity." These are those who, "say they are apostles [of Christ], and are not," and those who, "say they are Jews [spiritual Jews -- converted Christians], and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
The disciples were literally "covered with waves" of the sea, but they were also covered with the "raging waves of the sea" spoken of in Jude, because they were, as yet, unconverted.
Actually, the Sea of Galilee is really a lake, also called, The Lake of Gennesar [et] and Lake Tiberias. Jesus Himself called Galilee a "lake" (Luke 8:22). Notice that the carnality of man symbolized in "covered with waves" (raging waves of the sea) needed salvation—"Lord save us, WE PERISH." What did Jesus become to His disciples at that very instant? Answer: "a covering shelter." Whereas they were covered by the raging waves of the sea, Jesus now became their "covering."
Jesus SAVED His disciples from the "raging waves of the sea that covered them," in the middle of the Sea [lake] of Galilee. But this was a literal physical event. They were not spiritually converted as yet, but this event pointed to just such a conversion of the spirit. Will not Jesus also become a "covering shelter" for others? If so, for whom, and for how many?
JESUS CHRIST IS THE COVERING SHELTER
OF THE WHOLE WORLD
"And He [Jesus] is the propitiation [Greek: hilasmos, signifies "an expiation, a means whereby sin is COVERED and remitted" Strong’, p. 121] for our sins: and not for ours only, but also FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD" (John 2:2).
It may come as a surprise to realize that Jesus started His work of propitiation in a "lake"—the Lake of Galilee, and He will finish His work of propitiation in another lake, "the Lake of Fire."
In Romans 3:25 we read:
"Whom God has set forth to be a PROPITIATION through faith in His blood to declare His righteousness for the remission [passing over of] sins that are past, through the forbearance of God."
In Heb. 9:5 this same word hilcsterion (propitiatory) is used for the COVERING LID OF THE ARK. Jesus Christ IS the ark. When the disciples were "covered by the raging waves of the sea" Jesus Christ became their "covering," and (physically) SAVED THEM!
In Hebrew, "haven" comes from cowph, and it means "to COVER; a cove (as a sheltered bay, Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary p. 32).
Jesus not only "propitiates—COVERS," He IS the Covering, "…IS the Propitiation…" (I John 2:2). Likewise, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever," does not just "cover" IN the lake of fire: HE IS THE LAKE OF FIRE! Jesus Christ IS the Judge of the world, and the world is Judged not only BY Jesus Christ, but IN Jesus Christ.
These words and their meanings that God chooses for our understanding are not accidental coincidences. Every word of God is purified to perfectly fit its application:
"The WORDS of the Lord are PURE WORDS: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times" (Psalm 12:6).
Do any really believe that God wants to play just one more insane cruel joke on the majority of humanity which are supposedly destined to an eternity of torture in fire, by telling us that this insane pit of torture is going to take place in a SHELTERED PLACE OF SAFETY? Is God Almighty going to torture the majority of humanity in a place He jeeringly calls: a pond, a lake, a "SHELTERED PLACE OF SAFETY?"
It is true that, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God" (Heb. 10:31), but that does not negate the fact that there is also "safety, shelter, and covering" in God’s Divine Pond of Spiritual purifying FIRE.
http://bible-truths.com/lake12.html
Deborah-Leigh:
Thank you for your kind words sonofone and Linda.
This scripture adds onto this thread I believe and further came to mind regarding this interesting question that Gregor has asked.
1 Cor 6 : 3 Do you not know that the saints will judge the angels and pronounce opinion between right and wrong for them. (Perhaps discern the difference between gloating and rejoicing to discern between the angels of God and the angels of wickedness? Perhaps.) How much more then as to matters pertaining to this world and of this life? (Can we discern the difference between the self glorification of a victory won or achievements gained at the expense of others? Can we discern the difference between the joy as witnessing Gods works and victories over evil? Who's angels are our companions? Luke 10 : 20...Do not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are enrolled in heaven.)For me this says, don't gloat or rejoice in my works but only that which is the work of God rejoicing always in the Lord for His unblemished Faithfullness and His resounding Victory.
John 16 : 33 ....In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration but be of good cheer! For I have overcome the world.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
Grateful:
--- Quote from: rocky on October 13, 2007, 01:08:15 AM ---does this verse help?
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
--- End quote ---
Hi Rocky! I only just NOW read this posting of yours, and the sudden thought-image hit me (I don't know for sure if it makes sense, parable-wise, or not....but here's my thought, for what it's worth) that ALL of Christ's spiritual humankind are standing side-by-side with their arms linked elbow-to-elbow, forearms touching, with hands pointing upwards (as if in praise to our Father). I think I read somewhere once that the "144,000" number is supposed to be all of spiritualized mankind. I once heard that a cubit is equivalent to the length of a man's forearm, hence that's why I "got" this picture in my mind, of the wall of 'the Holy Jerusalem' (the New Jerusalem) being comprised of holy, purified-by-God people. Does this make ANY sense at all to you or anyone else 'out there'??
Wondering,
Linda
Deborah-Leigh:
Hey Rocky
I like what Linda wrote "A purified by God - people...." His chosen elect.
Have you got any insights into what you contributed Rocky? All I know is that these measurements are symbols. I believe they are shadows of spiritual realities but what....I do not know so could not comment.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
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