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Spiritual Truths
YellowStone:
Hi All,
I have been lately given the opportunity by the grace of God, to mediate on Spiritual Truths.
What are they? Who has them? Who does not and why?
I have been reading a lot on the carnality of man, and how the ways of man are foolish. Well if this is so, then when are the ways of man his and when are they not? One could answer man is a free spirit and does what he pleases, when and with whom, but it his correct? Well, others will maintain that it is God who controls everything, even the leaves blowing in the wind or the individual hairs on ones head. If this is so, then how then are "Man’s" ways foolish, because, they are not in way, shape or form Man's to begin with?
Dare I go out on a limb and say that there is no such thing nor can there ever be a blanket statement covering all men.
Please let me explain with Scripture:
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Can one see any man, woman or child saying to God: "Ha!!!, yeah right, you want me to this and I'm going to do as I please."
Well of course one can, but why is this so?
Could it be that such as these are NOT blind by choice and neither are they "foolish", for how could they be if they know naught else. This can be likened to trying to explain sight to someone who has never seen, or a symphony, to someone who has never heard.
How then can a spiritually enlightened person be at all rough or hard on these folks, for they know not what they do, for they are working only with what they have been given. (Just as we all are)
Jhn 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaker the words of God: for God girth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
and even more sobering.....
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
God has created each and everyone of us; each of us is making the very best use of the measure of faith and spirit given. The very same spirit that bares the following fruit....
Gal 5:22, 23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, (not by your own choosing) but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Man can only bare the fruits of the spirit that he has been given to bare and to lash out an berate or belittle anyone is no different than berating God.
Such actions are not a sign of spiritual maturity and we are warned of such actions.
Gal 5:15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
However. with the help of the spirit, one can cover any amount of sin.
1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Honestly, this forum should be the most peaceful, gentleless, comforting forum where one is NEVER afraid to ask for fear of ridicule or humiliation. For I see NO SUCH ACTIONS as being from the Spirit; rather they should ALWAYS be replaced for discernment, long suffering and patience.
This forum and everyone of its members are held to a VERY high standard, For such as anyone of us can read the following Scripture and point to any number of people, people who are they are by the Will of God and the Measure of His Spirit
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
We must NEVER forget, that these very same ones should and WILL know us by our Measure of Spirit; for take away that which has been freely given us (Not Earned!) we are no different than anyone else.
Let me close this rather long expose with the following Scripture.
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;
Pro 3:6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[fn1] your paths.
Pro 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and depart from evil.
Pro 3:8 It will be health to your flesh, And strength to your bones.
And the fruits will be clearly seen for what they are; sweet, nourishing, comforting and fullfilling.
Comments Welcome,
Love to you all through Christ our Redeemer,
Darren
Gregor:
Greetings,
2Tim.2:
[20] But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
Gold and silver can be purified by fire, but wood and earth can only be purified by water.
[21] If a man therefore purge himself (how? by being submissive/yeilding to the Spirit) from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
[22] Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart (one that has gone through the purging).
[23] But foolish and unlearned (we are taught and learn to put on Christ) questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
[24] And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[25] In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves(on the surface oppose others, but in reality oppose their own well being); if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[26] And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
I have to remember that I will be accountible for my own actions before God, as he has given me a measure of understanding. If I am a good steward with what's been given me, more will be given.
2Tim.2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. I'd like to write more, but no time at the moment.
Peace
G.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on October 17, 2007, 03:04:08 PM ---
Honestly, this forum should be the most peaceful, gentleless, comforting forum where one is NEVER afraid to ask for fear of ridicule or humiliation. For I see NO SUCH ACTIONS as being from the Spirit; rather they should ALWAYS be replaced for discernment, long suffering and patience.
--- End quote ---
Great post Darren,
I totally agree that this should be an oasis, often it is just that but then from time to time we will be tested and some of those doing the testing might not even be aware of what they are doing and why.
His Peace to you Brother,
Joe
jER:
In this we find our true direction:
"Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding."
...For the road to understanding is not straight. There is a curve called Failure, a loop called Confusion, speed bumps called Friends, caution lights called Family, red lights called Enemies. And, you will have flats called Jobs. But, if you have a green light called Love, a spare called Determination, an engine called Perseverance, insurance called Faith, a driver called Jesus, you will make it to a place called Wisdom...
In all your ways acknowledge Him! And, He shall direct your paths!
- jER
Robin:
Thank you Darren.
I've felt a little frustrated in the past couple of days. I've learned so much from God in so many ways. Ray is a wonderful teacher. I'm not a teacher or a spokesman. I usually have a very hard time getting what's in my brain out into words. Sometimes I just want to share about the casual ways God showed me things. I had so much laughter when I first came here and read Ray's papers. I would read a phrase he wrote and then just laugh thinking back about the way God had to reveal that truth to me.
I remember hearing Ray say that he would open the refrigerator and something would come to him and he would study and learn from it. I think of God in that way. He is with us in the little small details of our life.
There are many times when he will start to reveal something to me and I am all over the place with it trying to put the pieces together. I bounce things back and forth and just talk it though until God gives me more understanding. That does not mean that I accept the initial pieces as the truth. The end result might be completely different, but I have to start at the beginning to reach the end. That's just how God works with me. He reveals a piece at a time. I go from one question to the next, to the next. Each question and each answer builds on what I've already learned. I get one piece of the puzzle when there may be 20 pieces. I have to continue getting pieces from God before I can see it. When I try to piece it together I say no that doesn't fit and that doesn't fit. I would probably really look like I'm wrong talking about the pieces before the picture is complete.
I'm rambling, but I can see that others are talking about pieces of their puzzle.
I remember once watching a Star Trek episode years ago. It was the final piece of one of my puzzles. The episode was Darmok and Jilad at Tanagra. At the end of that episode I stood up and joyfully said "The whole bible is a parable!" I think everyone thought I lost my mind. I laughed and cried when I read that here. There are many reasons why someone might tell me that Star Trek is anti-truth and I know that, but God used it in my life to reveal a beautiful picture and opened up the bible in a whole new way for me. I try not to judge how he might be working with someone else.
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