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Bradigans:

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--- Quote from: Arcturus on October 26, 2007, 07:57:28 AM ---
The irony Alex is once WE have left Babylon and no longer bow to their false teachings and blasphemous ideologies. they to then practise their piety and holier than thou pomp and ceremony by not only teaching others to separate from US but they slander and would kill if they could, anyone who believes God and His Word. It is then that Babylonians too are lead to become very weary and careful to call US brothers and sisters! ;D I speak from experience  ;D

Peace be to you

Arcturus :)

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I don't bow to their ideologies. I certainly wouldn't raise one finger against anyone here, let alone kill. Very pompous and false assumptions. I know many a believer who give you the shirt off their backs to help someone, not to be seen by man, but out of obedience to the word of God.

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Depending on what their stance is as far as THE WORD would determine whether or not i would receive or not receive that shirt. I was just in that circumstance recently. I had a dire need. God knows, but I knew I was being tempted by Satan. I would rather be out on the street before I bow to Satan by receiving something from him...

Robin:
I can only relate to things through my experience so I'll share mine on this matter.

Right before God called me out of the church I was standing with the Pastor and a friend from church. I don't remember why I was there, but we were all alone in the chapel. Suddenly I had a vision of the cross on the edge of a cliff.  In my mind I knew that walking off the edge of that cliff meant that I would go the way that God chose for me and it was a very hard way to go. Walking over the edge of that cliff meant relinquishing all rights to my self and my life and my loved ones. I knew that the trials would be great. There really wasn't a choice for me. I had to take the way that took me over the edge of the cliff. It was more like a command and not a choice.

The woman friend standing next to me ended up on the floor in a fetal position shaking and crying in fear. I'm not sure what she experienced, but I know God showed her the same road and it scared her to death. Later she received a similar vision. Hers was a road on a street with enemies in the buildings on each side of the road. She knew she was supposed to take that road. She went and talked to her pastor about it and he told her she didn't need to take that road. He said every Christian would take that road sooner or later. She listened to the Pastor instead of God and stayed in her comfort zone. I know this was all of God and this is what was ordained for both of us. I had no choice, but to take that narrow road. She had no choice, but to shrink back in fear. Her Pastor told her son I was one of those women that was always learning, but would never come to the full knowledge of the truth. We parted ways after that.

A few months later I opened a book I had to a page that had these scriptures.

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Numbers 19:13
Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.

I knew that God was commanding me to come out of the church.

My initial feelings were fear. I had a lot coming against me.
This truth that I was learning was falling out of the sky, lol. I knew it was from God, but at the same time I was just a damaged, insignificant person. I could not believe that God was choose me to teach me these truths when everyone else believed the church teachings. I was feeling that I must have made it all up. I couldn't prove hell wrong at the time so I was also so afraid of going to hell for believing what I believe against the church. How could the huge church be wrong and I be right. I was the sinner after all. They were the good guys.

I picked out a movie by it's title and watched it and God used the movie to show me clearly the hypocrisy of the church and I was able to listen to his command and leave the church. That was around 15 years ago and I haven't been back.

I was working in a catering business at the time and living in a little apartment above the business. It had no windows and it was like a prison. The owner of the business lost the business due to his alcoholism and I was left without a job and soon to be without a home. I could not find a job to save my life. My 2 teenagers lived at home with me and we had no food for 6 months. We ate beans, rice, and Top Raman. I was so depressed I couldn't even get up off the floor. None of us could find a job.

It was in God's plan for us to go hungry at that time. It was a part of the fiery judgment. At the end of the 6 months I felt that God was starting to move. It was dark and I asked, Where are we going now? I heard the scripture in my mind that said, Where I go you cannot follow. Suddenly I realized that Christ died for just me. I was on the floor crying and had another vision. It was Christ on the cross. In the distance I could see the dark cloud coming toward me. I grabbed onto Christ's leg and asked him to cover me with his blood so I would be safe. It was the passover.

I walked though that red sea and it closed behind me. During the next 10 years I sat in that desert without one word from God. I did not learn one other truth. My whole being cried out for God and my faith was tested like never before. I feared that I was left in the desert to die or maybe the pastor was right when he told me my beliefs would only lead to despair. Maybe they were right and I made it all up. I held onto my faith by a thread. In total despair I prayed that if God had a teacher anywhere in this world that he would lead me to him. If there were any other believers in this world could I please find them? I was fainting from the desert heat.

2 weeks later I found bible-truths. I found Ray. I found you. I was looking for a grief poem for a friend on another forum and it led me here. I wept with gratitude and laughed with joy. Ray's teaching confirmed that I wasn't crazy. I wasn't going to hell. He finally gave me the proof I needed to prove hell to be scripturally false. I wasn't alone. There was a remnant. I wasn't abandoned by God. It was all part of the plan. He did not lead me into the desert to die. I weep in gratitude again as I write this.

Isaiah 26:7-9
 7The way of the just is uprightness: thou, most upright, dost weigh the path of the just.

 8Yea, in the way of thy judgments, O LORD, have we waited for thee; the desire of our soul is to thy name, and to the remembrance of thee.

 9With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.


Matthew 7:13-15
 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Beloved:
I wanted to get back with you on this topic. Regarding your question in remaining in your church, my last post was not meant to be judgmental or pedantic, I wanted to emphasize what we should be moving to …….rather than dwell on where we are or where we were. 

I agree this is an individual decision. Never the less the most important and crucial relationship is with Christ. Like the Song of Solomon shows us this is an individual and not a shared event.
I think many have adequately expounded BT teachings on this subject.

I would also comment on your reply
I don't bow to their ideologies. I certainly wouldn't raise one finger against anyone here, let alone kill. Very pompous and false assumptions.
I think that the killing of us that Arturus was referring to and that the scriptures refer to can be spirital and not always physical...i.e. they call a heretic and then condemn us to burn in hell for ever. 

Regarding your financial needs being met by your church. I am sensing that you are upset about  received this blessing. I do not agree that receiving this was wrong, if God can use an a@@ in the old testament to warn someone then he can use a Babylonian to meet your needs. Like many others have said, this may also be a test/trial to see if the spiritual is more important to you than the carnal.

Many of us have been taken to that dark scary place that you find yourself in right now. It was not too long ago that I was literarily taken down to $100.00 and my lease was up and I had no place to live and no job. I had been looking work for close to two years.

It was only then that I realized that I had to lay every thing on the altar and trust in God TOTALLY….which can be a very hard thing to do.

By the way,  out of the blue, a good Babylonian friend  gave me $200 for my birthday and I was able to attend my first BT conference in Nashville. What was weird is that she said that God told her it would be a honor for her to give this to me.

What I learned was that I needed to.... accept God’s decision…… even if it was not what ...I wanted.  Remember Peter and James were both put in Herod’s prison. Peter walked out but James was slain. 

Even John the Baptist who knew the Messiah would set the captive free…asked Jesus if he was the one?  Jesus answered him and said “Blessed is he who is not offended in Me” John too was set free but not the way he expected.

I also agree with Chris R / Craig and others in that the BT forum is a place of discussion…many people sign on here, a few stay (active or hidden)  and many more leave, not all are brethren. 

Of the people that I have met with in person at the various conferences that I have attended…. there are quite a few that I feel spiritually related to and I would give them any thing that I had if they had a need and God prompted me to do this in His will.

You are right that the scriptures address the physical needs and not just words.  In the early church they lived in a communal setting, so these things would be a lot clearer than they will ever be to an internet community.

Beloved

Matt:
It is 9:15 am here in Japan, usually, it's time to go to church.  Today we are not going, instead, my wife and I will have a talk about all of this and I am going to look up some scriptures for my 11 yr girl, she wants to go to a haunted house and is torn (social outcast stuff with peers).

Kat (my wife) knows where I stand, so please don't think I am dropping a bomb on her because of this discussion.  Please pray for us!

Matt

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello MG

I can relate to this where you share: I was so depressed I couldn't even get up off the floor.

I know what it means not to be able to get up. I was so depressed I wanted to stop breathing and begged God to let me die. And this where you say : During the next 10 years I sat in that desert without one word from God.

I  put myself through treatment for depression for a decade.  Facing the deepest fears and pains through therapy, I have since realised by coming to learn the Truth Ray has published, that my pain was instilled from Babylonian teachings! I still wanted to die because in those moments of immobilising depression I knew that the sleep of death was what I desired and somehow I knew that this was not as taught by the Church. I was escorted by Christ in those 10 years I believe as there is no way I could do anything for my self. My self was crushed and in the deepest despair that made no rational sense to me. All thanks to His Mercy I am here writing this post. All thanks to His Mercy you have shared yours.

There should be more people warning of the debilitating effects of Church Heresy and Blasphemy than there are those who paint it with shiny glossy enameled approvals and defenses. But there aren't!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
 

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