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josh:
Joe,

Your post, as they usually are, is a very timely message for me personally. Thanks for taking the time to post, my friend.

God's Peace.
Josh

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Joe

Thank you for posting this thread that encourages me in my trials.

These things stand out for me while reading this thread.

The cares of the world! I can relate to what you observe Bobby : these carnal desires or idols of the flesh... they can be so subtle...

I have personally been dealing with this very thing. When a person or circumstance challenges me, I am being stretched to see GOD'S purpose in my trial and to NOT SEE the person or circumstance as being the error, fault or opposition. Blame shifting is much easier carnally than seeing God's purpose, cause and plan to show up pride and prejudice of an evil heart!

And what you posted Kat quoting Ray fits. Quote : God is far above us carnal matters. God already knows IN ADVANCE what we will or will not do under our trials.

Therefore, He does not determine from the evidence whether we passed or failed the trial; whether we are guilt or innocent. The trial is for OUR benefit, not HIS!

So just to add to this Joe to as Josh observes, a most timely thread, and to carry this forward as to how Chris R says quote : God gives us a perfectly simple and understandable examples of HOW He deals with our sins and faultsfrom Ray LOF part 15 C

Here then is a proper translation of this most profound verse:
“It is an experience of evil Elohim [God] has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it” (Concorant Old Testament).
Now we can easily understand what is being said in this verse.
This “experience of evil” is not the purpose or goal of human existence, but this is indeed the process by which God is bringing His Sons and Daughters into glory! Most translations have hidden the meaning of this verse of Scripture. The translations just couldn’t believe that God would do such a thing. They see it all around them. They see it in thousands of Scriptures, but they just couldn’t bring themselves to come right out and say it, as God obviously has stated in the original Hebrew of this verse.
“It is an EXPERIENCE of EVIL that God has given to the sons of humanity to HUMBLE them by it.”
And to this agrees the rest of Scripture:
“For ALL his days are SORROWS, and his travail [experience] GRIEF…”  (Ecc. 2:23).
The destiny of the human race is indeed GLORIOUS, but the journey is filled with evil and sorrow. This not to say that there are not many beautiful and good things in life, but for most the misery far far outweighs the pleasurable
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

skydreamers:

--- Quote ---How fire has been twisted by many to mean something evil... when we are told in Hebrews 12:29 that "For our God is a consuming fire".

We read in 1st Corinthians 3:12-15:  “Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire”.

We are not tortured by fire, but rather we are saved by it.  The Good News is actually good!

Bobby
--- End quote ---

Hi Bobby, yes fire is the more misrepresented spiritual symbol in all of the bible it seems.  Here's another scripture connected to God being our consuming fire:

Isaiah 30:33
For a burning place has long been prepared; indeed, for the king it is made ready, its pyre made deep and wide, with fire and wood in abundance; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, kindles it.


The breath of the Lord that brings death and life:

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.


Peace,
Diana

hillsbororiver:
Hi everyone,

All of your responses are greatly appreciated, very good additions and insights!

What I found in my own personal experience is that when one gross sin seems to be in the rearview mirror another one, sometimes something that may have lied dormant for a while springs into action, recently I was contemplating this and came to realize that virtually every molecule in my being (mental and physical) is in need of healing, correction and adjustment from above, the physical/carnal Joe needs to be transformed into the spiritual Joe and this can only be accomplished by never taking one's eye off of the goal which is Christ. I have found that focusing on anything else blinds me to the spiritual and I bump into walls, stumble and fall.

The beautiful thing is that He is there to pick me up and dust me off, recalibrate my vision and to continue in this journey, to run this race while sharing His yoke.

I love how this portion of LOF Part 11 also speaks about His process in dealing with His people:

http://bible-truths.com/lake11.html

"For if we would JUDGE OURSELVES, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world" (I Cor. 11:31-32).

This is the reality of the "overcomer." Anyone going through very severe trials, problems, tribulation, judgment, chastening, and scourging is considered by the Church to be a gross sinner under a curse. Yet what does God’s Word tell us:

"For whom the Lord loves He CHASTENS, and SCOURGES every son whom He receives" (Heb. 12:6).

Do we think this Scripture lies? If God calls you to be a son, then He will SCOURGE you. There are absolutely no exceptions and there is absolutely no way around these Scriptures. I have heard professing Christians of 70 years confess that they never suffered persecution a day in their life. One remarked how lucky we are to live at this time and in this country where people no longer persecute Christians. Unbelievable.

"Yea, and all that will live godly [devoutly] in Christ Jesus SHALL suffer persecution" (II Tim. 3:12).

These verses of Scripture do not conveniently go away or disappear just because we have already read them ten or twenty years ago. But you say, "I do live godly in Christ Jesus, but I am not persecuted." Oh really? Perhaps you have overlooked a thing or two. Do you love your enemies? Or do you love your army whom you applaud for killing your enemies? Do you turn the other cheek when someone does your wrong, or do you call your attorney and have him sued? Do you believe and teach that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world, or do you believe and teach that most of the world is going to hell? Do you no longer have a "lust of the flesh, and lust of the eyes, and a pride of life," or are these the very things that dominate most of your time? It is futile to profess Christ without living godly in Christ!

Yes indeed! Whenever I begin to have that insidious thought that I have "arrived" He shows me how far there is yet to go.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

Matt:
Joe,
  Thank you for this reminder.  I have taken the time to go back the past few days and refresh on this and a few other teachings.  It is exciting to read them again and be able to add more to my understanding each time!  I am amazed at how much I have learned, but even more amazed at how much more there is to learn! 

Matt

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