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dessa:
CIY,
I believe God is Sovereign. I also believe His plan for mankind is far above mankind's understanding. I believe each ones learning is at the place God wants each to be.
In order to work out my salvation I must make choices.
Shalom,
dessa
ciy:
Dessa,
I agree with what you wrote 100%.
You said, "I believe each ones learning is at the place God wants each to be."
To be in the place at every moment that God wants you to be then God has to be in control of every moment of your life. Your wants are of the Lord.
Again just like the verse I quoted earlier.
Proverbs 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD
Everything you say is of the Lord. This is hard for us to really get a consistent grasp of because like the old James Taylor song "Goin to Carolina in my Mind" we can continuously go to Babylon in our mind and get back to thinking we had something to do with it.
Thanks for this thread Dessa and know that you are truly blessed of God.
CIY
Rene:
Darren,
No one is saying that God is evil. However God created evil and He uses it to accomplish His purpose.
I find it very beneficial to continue to study the LOF series, especially the "Myth of Free Will Exposed" essays.
In Part C of this series under the subtitle "Can You Handle the Truth?", Ray made this statement:
You know that I speak the truth, but many of you can't handle the truth.
So am I saying that since God is the Creator of all, and Sustainer of all, and by Him all things Consist, and He already knows all that is and will be, and He works all things after the counsel of His Own will, that all of the crimes of the world are a part of God’s plan? No, that is not my teaching. But this is precisely what the Scriptures say! This is not some perverted theory. I read it in the Bible—in hundreds and hundreds of places!
I have no problem in justifying God in all of His doings, even though I personally am overwhelmed at times over the magnitude of pain and evil that God has subjected us to. It is humbling! It surely does produce God’s desired purpose, and I can personally attest to this fact. Inventing an unscriptural and anti-scriptural term like "human free will" or "free choice" does not remove the consequences of evil from God's shoulders.
Peace,
Rene
YellowStone:
Hi Rene,
Just a quick question. Where in the New Testamemt (other than Revelations) do the Scriptures indicate that God is causing clamities, crimes, hate, and all of the things that are listed in Timothy:
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Are you suggesting that God PLANNED all of this to happen, or are you saying God knew what would happen, after all He did tell Adam and Eve did he not and he gave Satan a free reign. God's plan deals with the salvation of the world, no one or nothing is going to twart that plan, not even Satan.
God gave man an evil heart, but it seams he is incapable of giving man the ability to use it. That the great creator that He is HAS to pull the strings.
Oops, forgot to sign off
Love to you Rene in Christ our Saviour,
Darren
Kat:
Here is another emal that I think will help in this discussion.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=224.msg1868#msg1868 ------
Dear Marcus:
I have explained this many times, but there are few who can understand it. God created man subject to VANITY (failure). God made mankind that way. It is absolutely stupid for theologians to deny it. God plainly tells us this in Rom. 8:18:25.
Man has naturally a natural mind, a mind of flesh, called in Scripture the "carnal mind" and it naturally HATES God and cannot keep His law (Rom. 8:7).
But if you or anyone does not even believe these Scriptures, why go further? God made man is testerone. His natural inclination is to have sex with pretty women--OFTEN.
Then God turns around and tells man to not have sex with pretty women AT ALL--only in marriage. God doesn't MAKE OR FORCE man to desire sex with women. Man desires that all on his own. Some men desire sex with children. God doesn't MAKE OR FORCED men to have sex with children. Some men do it naturally. Are you following me?
God could stop all men from having sex with children. But He doesn't. That's because God has a plan for the human race that involves humans doing things so horrible, that they will eventually learn to never trust their own heart and mind again. They must have faith and trust in God through His Holy Spirit.
All men would have sex with little children, if they grew up under the same circumstances as the men who do have sex with little childrfen. This is a sobbering thought that few theologians alive have ever contemplated for more than 2 and one half seconds. And women have their particular natural inclination to commit horrible sins. This is God's creation, not mine. This is God's plan with humans, not mine. I can justify God in all His ways. Most can't. God will rectify and reconcile all things that has ever been committed.
God be with you,
Ray
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