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Lacey23:
I need help here,

i need some help on how to explain to a 13 year old regarding her question. she asked me for scriptures to prove that we are not to go to church, I tried to explain that the church is the body of christ, the people, not a place, not a building, but the people. She doesnt' seem to grasp the reality of my answer. James 1 :27 explains that the true religion is to help others, helping them live right, and Jesus said that we are to worship him in spirit and in truth  and that there only requires 2 or three people for God to be there and etc, and church can be anywhere u meet, but she thinks that church is a place to go to, i.e. a building.  So please help me here. I need scriptures that shows what a true worship is, and what God desires of us to do, and how we are to help the church, i.e the people so i can personally explain to her a bit better.

thanks, people!

Lacey

josh:
Lacey,

I'm running a bit short on time at the moment, but I will make time first thing in the morning to give you a proper response... but this is an excellent question, one that I believe if answered properly would be of great benefit to the membership here at the forum.

Let me suggest this article, http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html, which I believe will be beneficial as you determine the best way to discuss this subject with others and come to a better understanding of the subject yourself.

That being said, let me issue a word of warning... the phrase "coming out of her" as referring to the church means much more then not attending a meeting at a physical location, in fact it has little to do with that at all... we must be careful to not confuse the physical with the spiritual.

"Coming out of her" is first a spiritual act, one initated by the God who works ALL in ALL and an action we are incapable of making without God ... the changes in our physical life are simply by products of what is happening to us spiritually.

We must be careful of simply making a list of things that true believers do not do... ie. going to church, taking communion, celebrating the sabbath... and then assuming that because we do not do these things we are "the elect"... that is what the church for many ages has believed... that they could attain salvation by works ( or in other words by doing certain actions and not doing other actions as determined by the church )...

This is a subject that should not be entered into lightly... but with much prayer and study of the word.

God's Peace.
Josh

DuluthGA:
Hi Lacey, :)

V good question!  I have attempted to answer this for my friends and family strictly with Scripture by putting together all the New Testament verses that I saw relevant to this very theme.  So I will share them with you as well.  I posted them all here at the forum and update them periodically.  They can be found in the Off Topics section titled (Dear Churchianity...) Please Don't Build Another Church at:  http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5250.0.html

I agree with Josh that it's somewhat of a complex answer and only one that our Lord's spirit can lead someone into the full and culminating answer... but the Scriptures themselves are the best place to start... and dear soul Lacey, it's never an overnight thing, so take it as it comes, as you are led.  It is delightful to me to hear you have a young inquiring soul that you have taken under your wing!  I often enjoy a paraphrased version of God's Word such as The Message.  Here is James 1: 26-27 from it:

Anyone who sets himself up as "religious" by talking a good game is self-decived.  This kind of religion is hot air and only hot air.  Real religion, the kind that passes muster before God the Father is this:  Reach out to the homeless and loveless in their plight and guard against corruption from the godless world.

This verse-set says A LOT, but dear soul, it doesn't say it all on the subject, so you see?  More to come on this... in the sweet by and by.

Joy in Him,
Janice

Chris R:

--- Quote from: Lacey23 on November 01, 2007, 09:31:08 PM ---I need help here,

i need some help on how to explain to a 13 year old regarding her question. she asked me for scriptures to prove that we are not to go to church, I tried to explain that the church is the body of christ, the people, not a place, not a building, but the people. She doesnt' seem to grasp the reality of my answer. James 1 :27 explains that the true religion is to help others, helping them live right, and Jesus said that we are to worship him in spirit and in truth  and that there only requires 2 or three people for God to be there and etc, and church can be anywhere u meet, but she thinks that church is a place to go to, i.e. a building.  So please help me here. I need scriptures that shows what a true worship is, and what God desires of us to do, and how we are to help the church, i.e the people so i can personally explain to her a bit better.

thanks, people!

Lacey

--- End quote ---

Hi Lacey,

Read all of the website www.bibletruths.com once you have read and understood all that is on it, you will be able to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: [1 Pet 3:15]

Chris R

Grateful:
Hello Lacey!

This thought just now occurred to me, that MIGHT help :

Physical acts  speak louder than physical words ,
Spiritual words speak louder than physical acts ,
And Spiritual acts speak louder than Spiritual words .

In other words, Faith without Works is dead.  And, God has built a Church without hands, the New Jerusalem, built of Living Stones (US who BELIEVE in the Father and Jesus,  and OBEY Their Commandments, not merely profess Faith in both of Them).  Does this help any?  Let me know, and I'll try to clarify.

BLESSINGS!!   :D

Linda

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