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hillsbororiver:
Hi Diana,
I like the spiritual application you made here in regard to speaking/teaching, a very good observation and point.
--- Quote from: fe32k on November 04, 2007, 03:07:04 AM ---Can anyone shed some light on this:
1Ti 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
--- End quote ---
Hi Roy,
Once again I may have been too long winded in my original post.
Simply stated the salvation of all (the Fall Harvest) will be expedited by the elect in Christ (who are all born of women) who endure to the end.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
You see she shall not be saved by the act of giving birth but by the result of it, children who are chosen by God to be with Christ in bringing salvation to all mankind.
Peace,
Joe
sansmile:
DIANA,
amen amen
fe32k:
Hi,
Joe that is a very interesting way to see this. It didn't make sense because sometimes I still think in terms of this life only and not in the plan of the ages. My thoughts are still expanding when it comes to some scripture.
As far as Diana's view goes, I think God's word has more depth than can be figured out and hers is also an interesting observation that may have legitimacy. On the other hand, I think that here Paul was speaking plainly and was not trying to make a symbolic parable. It does not have any characteristics that would infer as such. What do you think?
Thanks everyone...
GBWY,
Roy
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Fe32k
You observe :... Paul was speaking plainly and was not trying to make a symbolic parable. It does not have any characteristics that would infer as such.
This is a common acceptance regarding the Bible in most Churches. If you have not already read the following http://bible-truths.com/lazarus.html Lazarus and the Rich Man, you might begin to see this and if you have already read that link, there are other teachings that can give you pointers to seeing that the Scriptures are not literal. It is important that you find these treasures. The Bible is a Parable. The words Jesus Christ spoke are Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus Christ inspired the scriptures which too are Spirit and Truth not spoken literally or of any interpretation to themselves.
These truths are just some of the treasures available in the teachings we have through Ray. If you need more tools to see this you can also study http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm TWELVE GOD-GIVEN TRUTHS TO UNDERSTAND HIS WORD
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
Hi Roy,
I think one of the most incedible truths I have learned from the articles on Bible Truths is how we should read, study and perceive scripture keeping in mind "first the physical, then the spiritual."
This has greatly helped me in learning to discern some of the Truths contained within His Word, there are often many layers of Truth and Wisdom there to be discovered.
Arcturus provided some excellent examples and here is a bit more;
FIRST THE PHYSICAL AND THEN THE SPIRITUAL
"Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is SPIRITUAL" (I Cor. 15:46).
Now then, was that bread that the fathers ate in the desert the "TRUE bread from heaven?" No, it clearly was not, Jesus said it was not! And so, can we not see, can we not believe, can we not understand, that Jesus Christ IS
"…the TRUE bread from heaven. For the bread of God IS HE which comes down FROM HEAVEN and gives life unto the world" (John 6:32b-33).
Hold this thought ……
And now back to Malachi again:
"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat [bread] in Mine house, and prove me now herewith, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Malachi, 3:10).
This is vital to understand: God does not berate the people or the priests for the lack of quantity in their tithes and offerings and sacrifices, but rather a lack of quality. Here is absolute Scriptural proof of what I say. They brought offerings, but why would God not accept their offerings? Because they offered "blind, lame and sick sacrifices." And why did they do that? Because they themselves were spiritually blind, lame and sick. There was quantity to their offerings, but not quality.
"And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? And if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? Offer it now unto your governor; will he be pleased with you, or accept your person? Says the Lord of hosts" (Mal. 1:8).
Read the entire article here;
http://www.bible-truths.com/tithing.html
Peace,
Joe
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