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HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE . . . . . . . . . . Mobile Conference 2007
Kat:
CANONIZATION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES
Now we are starting the canonization of the New Testament Scriptures. Christ prophesied that He would use His disciples to fill the canon.
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the Law among My disciples.
But that’s a prophecy for when Messiah comes. So there is a statement that He will bind up the testimony of God, and seal the Law among My disciples. So just keep that in mind as a starting point in the Old Testament, for how God is going to bring about this Scripture of the New Testament.
So we have got 22 books with the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet in the Old Testament. Now that God has a new revelation, He is going to use a new language. At least as far as we know the language was Greek But some insist Matthew was written in Hebrew, we don’t know that for a fact. I don’t think we can prove that.
But just like Ezra and Nehemiah closed out the Old Testament canon, we are going to see that Peter and John close out the New Testament.
Now the Catholic church knew that the canon was complete long before they came on the scene with their Ecumenical Councils. II Peter makes it clear that Peter knew what was Scripture, and John finalized everything. Just as Ezra penned the last book (II Chronicles) of the Old Testament, John penned the Last book of the New Testament (Revelation).
Many things were known to be true and of God, long before they were officially and publicly canonized or written down in books by God’s high servants.
Gen 26:5 “because Abraham obeyed My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws.”
Before the Law of Moses, it wasn’t that they didn’t know it was wrong to murder or commit adultery, they did. I mean even the pagans knew that.
When Abraham came into the presents of Abimelech, he told his wife to tell them she was his sister (Gen. 20). I mean he was going to let the king have her, because he was afraid. She was so pretty, he thought that the king would want her and if he said no to the king….. let’s face it, Abraham was a coward. He did that twice. Isaac did the same thing. They’re all cowards, then maybe I would have been a coward too, I don’t know.
In Genesis 26:5 it says “My Laws.” Laws, plural. So did God have statutes - principles - ordinances - commandments and laws back in the time of Abraham? Yes He did. But there was no book. It nowhere talks about a book of the law. But they knew what the law was, at least the basic laws. They knew that it was wrong to steal, to lie, to commit adultery and murder and so on. They knew that!
DISCIPLES KNEW THEY WERE CANONIZING SCRIPTURE
We are going to see that they knew that they were canonizing the Scripture. They could tell by what God was showing them that this was going to be Scripture someday. We have already talked about how all the writers of the Bible are called Prophets.
Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
He expounds that beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, Moses was a Prophet. All writers of the Bible are called Prophets. David was a Prophet. Remember that many prophecies of Messiah are in the Psalms, written by David.
Rom 1:2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures,
Act 26:27 King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know that you believe.
Act 28:23 …to whom he expounded, testifying the kingdom of God, and persuading them the things concerning Jesus, both out of the Law of Moses and out of the Prophets, from morning until evening.
Peter knew he was writing Scripture.
II Peter 1:19 WE HAVE also a more sure Word of prophecy, whereunto you do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Daystar arises in your hearts,
“We have.” You have to pay real close attention to words. You will just read many hundreds of Scriptures in the Bible and it won’t say anything to you. Because you don’t pay attention to the words. How many times have I said on Bible-truths in the last 5 years, you’ve got to pay attention to the words, all the words. The words are so important, you’ve got to pay attention to these words.
So Peter says “we.” We who? Well it could maybe mean we apostles, all of us or maybe he’s just talking about him and John or maybe he, John and Paul. Because they were the only ones that seem to maybe be in proximity at this time. “We have also…” also means in addition too. In addition to what? “A more sure Word of prophecy.” Also there are other prophets, but we have a prophecy, God gave it to us. WE have a prophecy, you see. He says look we have a Word of prophecy from God, you best pay heed, this is the Word of God that you are hearing.
II Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of THESE THINGS in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (twist), as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
See, when you read the Bible, don’t just read verses and then say, ‘okay I read the verse.’ But what does it mean? “Speaking of these things,” What things? Everything that Peter just finished telling them in the last 4 or 5 verses of the book. All these things that I’m telling you. He said Paul talks about “all these things in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest twist, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures,”
So Paul is writing that these were right up there with the other Scripture. These are also Scripture. So Paul knew that he was writing Scripture, he says…
Rom 16:25 Now to Him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept secret since the world began,
v. 26 but NOW is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known unto all nations for the obedience of faith:
Was that manifest back during Isaiah’s prophecy? No. Back during David’s Psalms? No. “Now” he says.
II Cor. 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me,
Paul makes no bones about it, he says, I was given a lot of revelations from God. Well these revelations weren’t given to him just for his pride and vanity. So he knew all this stuff and this was going to be written down as Scripture, not everything, but a lot.
Paul may have written hundreds of letters, he probably wrote letters all the time. But they were not all destined to be in the canon or the Scripture.
Eph 3:3-7 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, of which I was made a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.
So in other ages, in the Old Testament this stuff was not known. They did not know what Paul was telling them. This is new revelation from God, “as it has now been revealed by the Spirit.” So there are apostles and prophets at the time of Paul. He was an Apostle and anybody who speaks, sings or writes inspired writing from God is a prophet.
Col 1:25 whereof I was made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which was given to me for you, TO FULFILL THE WORD OF GOD,
This is not saying, that I Paul am fulfilling some Scripture that talks about me being an Apostle? No. There is no Old Testament Scripture that prophesied about Paul being an Apostle. None. He’s not fulfilling some prophecy about himself.
He’s filling up his writing - his prophesying - his inspired writing - his teachings of the mystery of Christ, his version of the gospel given to him. This is going to fill up the Word of God, complete it, see.
We have to be careful that we don’t put interpretations on words that isn’t there. To fill it means to fill it full, to fill it up full, the Word of God.
Col 1:26 the mystery which hath been hid for ages and generations: but now hath it been manifested to His saints,
How? Through Paul’s writings, and Peters, James, Jude and John.
I Cor. 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
These things are straight from the Lord. Straight from God. All this stuff that Paul is writing, is Scripture.
I Cor. 2:12 Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.
v. 13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
So whether you are speaking it, singing it, writing it or whatever, if it is inspired, it’s Scripture. Because “all Scripture is given by inspiration of God,” II Tim 3:16.
II John 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring THIS DOCTRINE, do not receive him into your house, nor speak a greeting to him.
What doctrine? “This” one, the one that John has been giving. My doctrine, this doctrine, the doctrine that we apostles are teaching. If they bring something else, don’t accept it, this is the doctrine. So whatever John taught was the doctrine of God, this is the Scripture, this is the Truth.
Remember how Christ told the Apostles at the last Passover that the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter, the Parakletos will come and guide you into all Truth. Was that just for them? They were going to be given a spiritual high? ‘Boy look at all the truth we know.’ No, they wrote it down, they taught it. They wrote it and it became Scripture, “this doctrine.”
Notice this we read in Revelation written by John.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him (that means Jesus Christ) to show unto His servants, even the things which must shortly (quickly) come to pass: and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John;
Whose going to record this for us? John. This revelation of the book of Revelation, this is Scripture. So John also had the Truth, “if they bring not THIS (the one the Apostles were teaching and recording) DOCTRINE….” (II John 1:10).
Rev 1:2 who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw.
v. 3 Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.
He bore record of that, we have the record, that is the final book of our Scriptures - Revelation.
It was not necessary to canonize the scriptures, because everybody was circulating these letters and shortly after many of Paul’s letters were written. Then they wrote the gospel accounts, Matthew and Mark. Luke probably wrote his account of the gospel at the bequest of Paul and he also wrote the book of Acts.
We went through many of the Scripture talking about the Gentiles. Luke was a Gentile, so these books were to show the Gentiles what are the Scriptures. What books are we talking about, the Scriptures? The Law - the Prophets - the Writings. It was the book they had in the synagogues and they were everywhere.
Here is something important we need to cover. A couple of reasons why they didn’t see a necessity to formalize these books and then why later they did. Everything was rocking along okay. There was Jerusalem and the Temple. Even the apostles went up to the Temple to pray sometimes, even after Jesus was crucified. What did they have at the Temple? They had the Temple scrolls, all 22 books that Ezra had canonized, 450 years earlier. They were all there. There was no mystery about what was the Scriptures.
It’s only Luke that’s clarifying, for the Gentiles that were being converted. They might say, ‘What are these Holy books you’re talking about?’ Luke would say, ‘well these are the Temple Scripture, the Law, the Prophets and the Writings, they are in the Temple and in all the synagogues.’ ‘Oh okay, now we know what you’re talking about.’
But there was no necessity to canonize Scripture. They thought Christ was coming back pretty soon. I mean we could see that they really did believe that.
Kat:
DISCIPLES THOUGHT JESUS WOULD COME IN THEIR LIFETIME
I Thess. 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
Paul said, “we who are alive and remain.” Now you could say he’s just saying “we,” whoever the we are at that time of His coming. But no, it sounds like he’s saying, we right now here. Those of us that are alive until His coming, we won’t actually go to sleep we’ll just be changed. You know, he’ll come and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we will rise to meet the Lord in the air.
I Cor. 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep…
Paul thought Christ would come before he would go to sleep(die).
v. 53 …but we shall all be changed,
v. 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord.
Like He is coming soon, just be patient and hang in there.
Joel 2:28 And it shall be afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy; your old men shall dream dreams; your young men shall see visions.
v. 29 And also I will pour out My Spirit on the slaves and on the slave women in those days.
v. 30 And I will show wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
v. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of Jehovah.
Acts 2:15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
v. 16 but this is that which hath been spoken through the prophet Joel:
v. 17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:
Peter thought, well this is the last days. Now he was right, he was inspired to write that because God did start pouring out His Spirit on Pentecost... so that was the last days. How long do the last days last? Until they are over. It’s been a pretty long time. But he didn’t finish the prophecy, he quoted Joel, but he didn’t finish all of Joel. Because it doesn’t all fit then. But the portion that he did quote, it does fit then.
You say, ‘but didn’t it mention heavenly signs.’ He said, you know these people aren’t drunk. These people are like the people that prophesied in Joel, where it says they shall dream dreams and see visions, all of that. The sun shall not give it’s light and the moon shall turn to blood.
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.
Did that happen on Pentecost? Yes it did! How so? How did the sun not give it’s light? How did the moon instead of reflecting light, turn to blood?
Light is symbolic of God’s Truth. Jesus Christ is the light. The brightest physical symbol of light, brightness, this is our sun. So light comes from the strongest source. God - Jesus Christ is that light.
John the Baptist said, “that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,” (John 3:19). But He was that light. The Son gives light, that’s direct revelation from God.
Now the moon is the reflected light. That should come through the church and through the ministry. They get it from the Son. The moon (church) reflects it’s light from the sun (Christ), it doesn’t have it’s own light (Truth). If the sun went out, the moon would go out, because the moon has no light, it’s reflected light. So as the ministry gets light, they give it to the congregation, they feed the sheep.
But what did He say would happen, starting on Pentecost? The sun/Son isn’t going to give it’s light anymore. God is not going to give direct light to the people anymore. The light that should be coming, that was already given to the moon, to be reflected, now it’s not going to give it’s light. It’s going to be turned to blood. What is this talking about?
Their revelation from God was going to cease. Apostasy is going to set in. The church is going to go a muck and instead of teaching the light from God and passing it on, they are going to turn to blood. How so?
Well on that very day they stoned Stephen (Acts 7). Instead of giving light to the world as a secondary light, they turned to blood. They turned murderers.
Tomorrow we are going to go through and see how many men, who wanted to present God’s Word to everyday people like us, they had to pay with their lives. Well who would do such a dastardly thing? The moon! The secondary light of God’s Truth - the church - the Popes - the Bishops. If you even had…. you didn’t have to teach it or even read it, if you were found with a copy of Tyndale’s Bible, you were put to death. I mean it was pretty bad.
Tyndale was burned at the stake. Russ was burned at the stake, lots of people were burned at the stake. They kind of took the Catholics out of England for a while. Then bloody Mary came back and she wanted to bring back the Catholic church. Then she started burning people at the stake. She said, ‘I’m not doing anything to these people, that God isn’t going to do to them for all eternity. I’m not doing anything wrong.’ She didn’t see anything wrong with burning people at the stake. It’s unbelievable.
Calvin didn’t see anything wrong with burning people at the stake either. That man is so adored by so many. I mean considered the greatest theologian. He was, I mean absolutely the scum of the earth.
Martin Luther although he did a lot of good things, you just read what his attitude was towards the peasants. ‘Kill them all and make it dirty, make it fast.’ No mercy.
So it did start then. They went from teaching God’s Truth, they turned their hands to blood. They killed Stephen, a real saintly man, they killed him and gnawed on him with their teeth. They just despised that man. You don’t know what hatred is. Like I’ve said so many times, hell hath no fury like a Christian who’s just been told the Truth.
Now even Christ made some statements that could have sounded like His coming and setting up His kingdom was right around the corner.
Matt. 3:2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"
Well it was at hand, for them. How was it at hand for them? Well you can only live so long. Same thing as in Revelation, it says things are going to come about shortly. Shortly? It’s 2000 years later and they haven’t come about yet. That’s not shortly. The word ‘shortly’ has to do with quickness or swiftness. These things must come about quickly. How is it they come about quickly? I mean there is 22 chapters of stuff going on all around the world. How is this all done quickly?
This is the testimony of Jesus Christ, who is, was and will be. I remember when I first saw that, it was about 6-7 years ago. I called a friend and I said, it says in Revelation that Jesus Christ which is and which was and is to come. I said, that’s in the book of Revelation. He said, ‘yea, I had heard that.’ I said did you know it was in there 10 times. He said, ‘I didn’t know that.’ I said it is, 10 times. I am alpha and omega (Rev. 1:8; 1:11; 21:6; 22:13), The beginning and the end (Rev. 21:6; 22:13), first and the last (Rev. 1:17), who lives and was dead, and I am alive for evermore (Rev. 1:18), who is, was and is to come (Rev. 1:4; 1:8; 4:08), 10 times it’s in there. Don’t you think that is trying to tell us something.
I’ll give you a little insight into Revelation. This book is the testimony of Jesus Christ, which is the Spirit of prophecy.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show unto His servants, even the things which must shortly(quickly) come to pass: and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John;
v. 2 who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw.
v. 3 Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.
v. 4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
Rev 1:08 I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
He just keeps repeating this over and over. That He existed, He was killed, resurrected and He now is and He will come. Everything in this book is and was and will come, see. To every generation who reads this, He’s coming to you. He came in the pass, He is coming now, He’ll come in the future. How does this happen quickly?
It happens to you when you are born and have grown up big enough to read these pages and God opens up your mind. Then you have just so long to change your life, get rid of the beast, get rid of the carnality in you. That’s got to be done quickly, because at best we live, you know… well some of us live longer, but you live to maybe 80. If I live to be 130, my life would just now be half over with. Think about it.
So Jesus Christ is, was and will be in every generation, that was and is now and will be. This is a work in progress. This is about US.
Why would we have a book (Revelation) that we print and print and waste paper for thousands of years, about something that’s going to come in never never land? Why do we want that? Who cares? They say, ‘oh that’s for that last generation, they need to know it.’
Listen when they are closing the lid, it’s your last generation, you know. I don’t care if you were born in the 300’s or 800’s or 1600’s or 1900’s, that’s all you get, that short period of time. So these thing have to be done quickly.
Matt. 16:28 Truly I say to you, There are some standing here who shall not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.
Well if I had heard that, I’d think well He said “some”, hey it could be me.
Did Christ come in His kingdom, that some of them actually saw, back then? Well maybe He did. Remember Christ said, My words are Spirit.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He shall reward each one according to his works.
v. 28 Truly I say to you, There are some standing here who shall not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (no new paragraph here)
17:1 And after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, and brought them up into a high mountain apart.
v. 2 And He was transfigured before them. And His face shone as the sun, and His clothing was white as the light.
That is how He is going to come in His kingdom, glorified, they saw it. Some standing here will not die until they see Me in My glory, like I’m going to be in My kingdom. Six days later it happened, up on the mountain. But the others that didn’t go up on the mountain could have been saying, ‘I’m going to be around when Christ comes to set up His kingdom.’
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be fulfilled.
Of course everybody thinks “this generation” is the generation that He was talking to then, shall not pass until these prophesies be fulfilled. That’s not what He’s saying. Although you can see why they might have thought the way they thought. “Verily I say unto you, This generation.” What generation? Back up to verse 27.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
v. 28 Wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles (should be vultures, eagles don’t gather around dead animals) be gathered together.
v. 29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
v. 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
v. 31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Did that happen yet? No. Well when it does, THAT generation will not pass until all be fulfilled. “When you see ALL these things.” Well some have come about, but not all, war - rumors of wars - false christs. Yes all that, but “ALL these things” have not come to pass. But when they do, when all of them start to come to pass, all this stuff, then that generation. But you still won’t know when, you just know it’s going to be that generation. But when did it start? Eight year ago or just last year, was it this or that event? Of course it is an interesting thought.
Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
You know many theologians and Christian writers have written books about when Christ is going to return and they’ve got Daniel all charted out and Revelation. They’ve got the 70 weeks and ½ week and the abomination of desolation, the 4 beasts, the kingdom and the 10 toes, they got it all worked out. If you don’t believe me, just go to a Bible book store, they have 137 versions of how it’s all worked out. Beginning with when Christ was first supposed to come 1844, I guess. Then the Jehovah Witnesses had Him coming in 1914 and then some other year or was it He did come in 1914, but in spirit and nobody saw Him?? “Every eye shall see Him,” and nobody saw Him?
But is Jesus Christ telling us, that He - the Son of God has no idea when He’s going to return? Well we read these Scriptures and we say, ‘I think I know when.’ But HE has no idea? Seriously do you think Jesus Christ doesn’t knows when?
Kat:
BUT…. JESUS NEVER SAID WHEN HE WOULD RETURN
Mark 13:32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
So do you think that Jesus Christ doesn’t know when He will come back? Well that verse says so, right. But now we’ve got to ask ourselves, how little does Jesus know about His Father, His plan and prophecy? Apparently not very much. He doesn’t even know when He going to come back. Well I have a different take on that.
I just can’t believe Christ doesn’t know when He’s suppose to come. I don’t believe that. But I also believe that this Scripture is true. I know it sounds like a contradiction and it’s only an apparent contradiction, until you put something together. I did put something together.
Why didn’t Jesus know when He was in the flesh, when He would come back to rule the world? Why didn’t He know? His Father didn't tell Him... so only the Father knows? I don’t know, the angels in heaven don’t know. Only the Father knows... but now I’m saying that Jesus Christ knows. Well if He didn’t know it then, He must have learned it later on someplace. Well I believe He did.
Rev 1:1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God GAVE to Him to show to His servants things which must shortly (quickly) come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John,
Rev 1:2 who bore record of the Word of God and of the testimony of Jesus Christ and of all the things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads and hears the Words of this prophecy, and the ones keeping the things written in it, for the time is at hand.
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace to you and peace from Him which is and which was and which is to come; and from the seven spirits which are before His throne;
Rev 1:5 even from Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead and the Prince of the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Rev 1:6 and made us kings and priests to God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion for the eons of the eons. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him.
This is a revelation of Christ coming, but it’s a revelation of how it comes to us. But He’s coming back to the world. So now this is a two edged sword.
All these intricate prophesies and then you get back when Babylon is burnt and destroyed. We know our Babylon is destroyed, but the real Babylon out there is going to be destroyed, Mystery Babylon the Great the mother of harlots and whores, it is going to be destroyed and so on.
This is His testimony and He doesn’t know when these things are going to happen? He knows. There is no doubt in my mind, He knows. Because His Father has now shown Him. Remember He said in the book of John. I have many things to shows you, but you can’t receive them yet. Not YET. Now who wrote that? Is that in Matthew? No. Mark? No. Luke? No. Where do we find that? In John. John is the only one that records that Christ said, that I have many things to show you. Why would John write that in his gospel? Remember the other gospels were written in the 60’s or so. But John apparently didn’t write until later, at least the late 60’s or some say all the way into the 90’s.
Matthew, Mark and Luke are called the synoptic gospels. That’s because they all kind of have a chronological story flow of Christ and His ministry and His parables. John’s is different. That’s why he’s not included with the other three. Matthew, Mark and Luke are the synoptic gospels, John has his own gospel.
John is tying up the loose ends that are not covered in the other gospels. I mean we’ve got 5 pages on just what Christ said at the last supper in John. You go to Matthew or Mark and you’ve got maybe 5 sentences. See there is a lot of things being said and one is “I have many things to show you.”
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
Many things! John wrote that. Because John is the one that God showed “many things” that have to come to pass. John remembered that, the other apostles and writers they didn’t include that. They didn’t see that being fulfilled, Mark and Matthew didn’t see themselves fulfilling that. John did. By the time John is writing his letters and his gospel, he’s putting together these things. You don’t read this anywhere except John’s account.
John 21:19 This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God…
There are some that would suggest that almost this whole chapter 21, might not even be in the Scriptures. But let’s look at it, because it is in here in our Bibles. [Tischendorf does not have it in his list of spurious passages]
v. 20 Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved (John) following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, "Lord, who is the one who betrays You?"
John leaned against Christ, I mean they were close, they were bosom buddies.
v. 21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, "But Lord, what about this man?"
You see He had already said to Peter, “signifying by what death he would glorify God.” I don’t think Peter was to happy about that. He knew that it was inevitable, but was not to happy to hear about it. He said to Peter…
John 21:18 …but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish.
You are not going to want to go where God’s going to make you go. So Peter says, well what about John? What’s going to happen to your bosom buddy John here?
John 21:22 Jesus said to him, "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."
A little bit of a put down there.
John 21:23 Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die.
But He didn’t say to him, that he would not die, but "IF I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to you?”
v. 24 This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true.
Now John was speaking of himself in the 3rd person in verse 20, “the disciple which Jesus loved.” He didn’t say, that was me. He’s got enough humility to say it in the 3rd person “the disciple.” Well he was that disciple. But you don’t find this in any of the other gospels. Why did he write that? Because when he wrote it he knew that God was using him for more revelation. That’s why Jesus said, what is it to you if I have John live longer - tarry longer in life, what’s that to you if I have other plans for you.
John looking back at what was said many years before, now writes it down, because he sees the application of it. He sees the application that "the Spirit will lead you into all Truth." He sees the application in his own life, “I have many things to say unto you, but you can not receive yet,” not now. But later he did.
So Jesus never said when He would return. It’s just that from some of the things He did say, they assumed that He said that He was coming right away. But then we have other Scripture;
Mat 24:42 Therefore watch; for you do not know what hour your Lord comes.
Matt 25:13 Therefore watch, for you do not know either the day or the hour in which the Son of Man comes.
Mark 13:35 Watch therefore: for you do not know when the master of the house is coming...
Acts 1:7 And He said to them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in His own power.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
This was the last time, before He was taken up into heaven, out of sight. The Father knows, but in Rev 1:1 God gave that revelation to Jesus Christ and this whole book of Revelation is that testimony of Jesus Christ and has everything to do with His coming in us and coming back to the world to use us to convert all the nations.
Rev 5:10 And You made us kings and priests to our God, and we will reign over the earth.
We will be kings and priests and we will reign with Him and it says on the earth for 1000 years.
Rev 20:4 …And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But it is not a 1000 years, that’s a symbol for something. I think I know what that something is now. I know when the 1000 years ends. But that is another subject for another time.
APOSTLES LEARNED “THE LAST DAYS…” WERE YET FUTURE
The longer they went, the apostles reached a place where they realized that the last days, before the setting up of the kingdom of God, that it was a yet future time. The nearer Paul came to the end of his ministry, he knew that it was a future time. He warned of a yet future time.
II Tim. 3:1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
I Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
v. 6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
v. 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
v. 8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
v. 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
v. 10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
v. 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified before hand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
v. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
v.13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
II Peter 3:3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
All of these Scripture show that they knew that the coming of Christ was going to be yet future. Paul was ready to be killed knowing that Jesus Christ would not come first. Then we reach a place where Paul says;
II Tim. 4:6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand.
v. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith.
v. 8 Now there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, shall give me at that Day; and not to me only, but also to all those who love His appearing.
But it wasn’t going to happen then.
Kat:
Audio 6
Apostasy In The Church
So the Apostles began to realize that they were not going to see Christ set up His kingdom. They knew it was going to be down the road sometimes.
Now they were also given inspiration and prophesies and revelations that there was going to be an apostasy. That there was going to be a falling away from the Truth and it was happening then.
Paul uses the term, the last days and the latter days. It’s referring, in a prophetic sense, to down the road there shall be perilous times. But he was not talking about ‘the end of time,’ he was just talking beyond his time. In other words the last days/latter days he knew it was going to be beyond his time. But he didn’t know how far; 50 years, 100 years or 1000.
But he probably wanted to see all of it, but his demise was coming pretty fast. Also he also realized that it was happening then. Not the full impact, but it was beginning to happen.
People write me all the time and want to know, ‘do you think the Pope is the antichrist or do you think that Saddam Hussein was the antichrist (not any more).’ Everybody wants to know who the antichrist is. I say there is no such thing as ‘the antichrist’ in the Bible. If you show me the words ‘the antichrist’ in the Bible, I’ll give you $100. There is no such thing as ‘the’ antichrist or ‘the’ great tribulation. It’s not in there. These are theological inventions, they are not Scripture. There is not the antichrist, there are many antichrist.
By the time John wrote 1st, 2nd and 3rd John, he said there were many antichrists and they are already here. Many antichrists.
I John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come,
There is not one boggy man coming and he’s going to sit upon a big throne over in Jerusalem, in a temple and he’s going to say ‘I’m god, I created the heaven and the earth.’ All this will be on national TV, and they will say, ‘he’s god.’ Well how do you know that? ‘Because he said so.’ Is he going to call fire down out of heaven? Then we would know for sure it’s god. They would say, ‘he may look like a man, but he’s god.’ Oh come on, it will never happen. All this junk that they are looking for, it will never happen.
Oh there is somebody that sits on the throne, in the temple of God, claiming to be God. But it’s you and me, not some boggy man. WE are the temple of God, who sits on the throne of our temple. It should be Jesus Christ, but before it is Jesus Christ, it’s us. We sit there, we are the little gods. We are the ones that think we have free moral agency - free will and all such other unscriptural nonsense.
FREE WILL - FREE MORAL AGENCY UNSCRITURAL NONSENSE
We have a will, we do not have a ‘free’ will. We make choices, we don’t make free choices. Every choice you have ever made had a cause and whatever caused it, brought it about. Once something is brought about, it can never have been changed, it never can have been different. There is no choice that you ever made, that you could have not made.
People say, ‘oh if I had it to do over I would never do that again.’ Yes you would. Only if you knew what you know now, would you do it differently. But you don’t know now what you will know tomorrow. So whatever you do today, you make a choice on it based on whatever information you have today.
Today you might decide to go to the greyhound race track out here and bet on a dog. Well he loses and another one comes in first. So if you could go back tomorrow and rerun today’s race, sure you will bet on the one you know came in first. We know that, but you can’t do that. God doesn’t allow for that. We can’t go back and relive our life with a different set of chooses and so on.
You were destined to make every choice you made. What do you think, God didn’t know what you would do? He knows what all the nations will do, in all these prophesies and how everything is going to be, exactly. But He doesn’t know what you are going to do? Because you have free moral agency? You can do something that He would never dream that you were going to do? Unbelievable!
God knows all! He knows the beginning from the end. He counts things that are not, as though they are. Because He knows what they are going to be…. everything. Contrary to popular religion. They thinks God is kind of stupid and some say, ‘well He could know everything, but He chooses not to.’ Where do they come up with this stuff? That’s like saying, ‘God could be smart, but He chooses to be stupid.’ What? People don’t realize how they blasphemes God, with every other word out of their mouth.
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
v. 30 Also men shall arise from your own selves, speaking perverse things in order to draw disciples away after them.
v. 31 Therefore watch and remember that for the space of three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
He was telling them that that’s the way it’s going to be. He was saying, when I leave it’s going to fall apart. Paul knew it, James knew it, John knew it and Jude especially. That little short book of Jude, right before Revelations. He warns about heresy, he knew what it was all about. They all knew what it was all about and it started then.
Paul said, “This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me,” (II Tim. 1:15). All of them, everybody in Asia forsook him, and even in Roman. But he said, the Lord stood by me.
It was just like Christ’s disciples, they all forsook Him. Peter said, "Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!" (Mat 26:35). Peter Peter Peter….. “Truly I say to you that this night, before the cock crows, you shall deny Me three times.” (Mat 26:34). All the others said likewise. They went out and the soldiers came and they said, ‘we’re out of here.’ They all forsook Him.
Free will, are you crazy. God can knock the free will out of you so fast that your head would spin. You really need to read my ‘Myth of Free Will Exposed’ it’s 120 pages of Scripture Scripture Scripture, Old Testament and New Testament, dozens of Scripture.
The king of Syria said, I’m going to go out and conquer me nations, not a few but a lot. God says you’re nothing but a club in My hand. I’m using you like a club in My hand and you’re to stupid to know it. You think you got free will? Not so. Does the king of Syria think that? He’s not thinking he’s a club in God’s hand, he’s thinks by my own strength and my power and free will I’m doing this. God laughs him to scorn.
All theologians in the world say, God was wrong and the Syrian king was right, because he did have free will.
The Apostles, did they have free will? They said, ‘we will,’ and an hour later..… gone. Peter cursed, ‘I never knew the man,’ and then the cock crowed.…. whoops what did the Lord say.
It’s the hardest single thing that almost any human being will ever come to totally acknowledge. You have no free will and you have no free moral agency. All your decisions are made for you by; time, chance, circumstances, heredity, environment and the condition of your bank account; the condition of your stomach; the temperature outside; what somebody said to you; some smell that you get or some visual thing that excites you. You make all your own decisions based on what caused them.
We will talk that way sometimes, but then we will turn right around and deny it.
Somebody does something stupid and you say, ‘whatever caused you to do such a stupid thing?’ Or ‘What caused you to say something like that?’ That’s right something caused them. That’s the truth. Then we turn around and say, ‘nothing caused me, it was my own free will.’
Where does the free will begin? Where does this never land begin? Well out of the blue? How can you do something that has no cause?
The first edict of the universe is, for every effect there is a cause. Things don’t happen without a cause. Rocks don’t fall off a mountain without a cause.
Now some scientist are saying, there are some things that are totally random and they don’t have a cause.
Now they have the double slit experiment:
You have a slit in a board or table and you shot a particle beam through there and it will make a pattern on a screen on the other side of it. Whatever light comes through the slit, will make a pattern. But then if you open another slit to the side, which has absolutely nothing to do with the other slit. Then you put the particle beam through the same (first) slit and you don’t angle it or anything. When you open the new slit the pattern (on the first one) changes. They don’t know why. There is not a scientist on earth that can tell you why that’s so. So they concluded that this pattern changes without a direct cause. I don’t believe that for a second.
First of all I want to know how far apart are the slits? What happens when you make it closer? What if you put it a mile away? Oh, oh we are already seeing some differences are we? Well maybe there is some relationship, you just don’t know what it is. I mean would this be the first time in science that they run up against something, that they saw something and they didn’t know how it worked? Come on.
Some scientist say this is where we have proof now that you really do have this thing called free will. It’s foolish nonsense. There is no effect without a cause.
You’re making a decision, is an effect. Something caused it.
Sometimes somebody will pick what they undervalue. Remember when they had this nice juicy hamburger and a old shriveled up one and they said, ‘which one would you pick?’ Then some guy says, ‘I’ll take that one’ (the old shriveled up one). Why would he do that? Because he wanted to be a smart aleck. That was more fun and satisfying then to pick the one that he would really want to eat. But it was more pleasing to be a smart aleck and say, I‘ll take the old shriveled up thing. But it was his vanity that caused him and made him choose what he undervalued.
You go through the buffet line and you want to pick up a dessert. They have apple and cherry pie, which should you have? Whose going to make that chose for you? You say, ‘well I’ll make my own chose.’ Of course you make your own choice, but something caused it. So you look at the apple and you look at the cherry, now something is going to make you chose one over the other. You look at the cherry, it looks good, you look at the apple and it looks good. But then you think, I had apple pie the last 2 or 3 times, so I think I’ll have the cherry. But I think the apple looks better. So you don’t know which and maybe the lady in line says, ‘trust me, take the cherry.’ I say, ‘why is that?’ ‘Because I had a piece and it is out of this world.’ ‘Oh okay.’
Did you make a free will chose? Were you not influenced by any other power? Of course you were, she influenced you. So you make your own chose, but something caused it.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t know what the cause is or not. Air planes crash and they don’t know what caused it to crash. Does that mean it didn’t crash? Come on, they just haven’t found the cause yet.
It doesn’t matter if you say forced or inspired. Those words have 2 connotations, but the end results are the same.
If God inspires me to teach a lesson here today or forces me to do it, either way I’m going to give a lesson. So you can’t play with words.
You say, ‘so God forces us to sin?’ They think well I’ll use terminology like that, I’ll back Ray into a corner. ‘God forces us and makes us sin?’ No. You sin voluntarily. ‘Oh, see we all have free will.’ No I didn’t say you sin freely, I said you sin voluntarily. You volunteer to sin.
Here is an opportunity to look at a picture of a pretty girl, high heels, short skirt, so here’s an opportunity to lust. If I’m going to lust, did someone make you do that? No, you volunteered. Did something cause you to do that? You bet, your image of that skirt even shorter. That caused you, made you stare and consider and lust, you see.
You can’t come up with a scenario that I haven’t thought about. Trust me you can’t. I’ve thought about this for thousands of hours. I know where of I speak.
Even if you can’t see or can’t hear, you still have your imagination, your thinking, day dreams or whatever. It’s still based on things in your memory or in your consciousness, there is something bringing it about.
You can’t have something just happen, when nothing caused it to happen. A thought, an action, a word or a deed is something that happens. It must have a cause and if it has a cause, that cause makes it come about and therefore it was never free to not happen.
Now I know this is a little deep for some of you. But once you get it, it’s relatively simple. I’ll tell you one thing, it is a wonderful humbling experience and this is one reason people fight it, because they know where it’s going to lead. If they acknowledge it and say, ‘I kind of see what you’re saying.’ If they fully acknowledge it, then they are going to have to give up the throne. The man of sin, the man or woman of perdition sitting on the throne of your heart is going to have to go, when you acknowledge that only Jesus Christ belongs there. That’s a humbling experience. You’re finish now, as a human being with all your aspirations and all your vanity and whatever. I don’t mean grooming yourself or things like that is wrong, I’m just saying if it’s for vanity, self aggrandizement, praise or worship. If that’s what you are seeking, when you fully comprehend that only God is in control of everything. When you comprehend that, you will be humbled. You will begin to acknowledge God in your life in all things.
I mean I have to guard against causes. Because they bring about unwanted effects. So if I see the pretty girl in the mini skirt with the high heels on, that is a cause. That can bring about a wrong effect. Now I can’t get rid of the cause, but I can take it out of eye sight, right. Then I can look at something else and start thinking about something else. It might be a struggle, but I can do it. I say I can do it, if God is so inspired me to. If God is not inspiring me to, my wife is going to say, ‘what are you looking at.’ But that is a tough one.
This was not in my notes, but it’s an important thing. Some of you probably have not come to understand that you do not have free will, free moral agency or any of this nonsense that the theologians talk about. You have an illusion of free will. It seems like you have free will, of course it does, it part of the deception of human nature and the beast within. Do you think animals have free will? They act on instinct.
Kat:
I wrote Dr. Price about 4 typed pages and took him to task. He wrote back and sent me a booklet ‘Is Everything In The Bible True?’ He says everything in the Bible is Scripture, but it’s not true. He says when Job said the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, that’s not true. He says, the Lord giveth and Satan takes away. Unbelievable, But I laid it out to him. He said, ‘well we all have different personalities and how we teach.’ Yea, some teach the truth and some teach a pack of lies.
Job 2:7 So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD, and struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.
v. 8 And he took for himself a potsherd with which to scrape himself while he sat in the midst of the ashes.
v. 9 Then his wife said to him, "Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!"
v. 10 But he said to her, "You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. SHALL WE INDEED RECEIVE GOOD AT THE HAND OF GOD, AND SHALL WE NOT RECEIVE EVIL?…"
Dr. Price says, ‘that’s right, we shall receive good, but not evil.’ Job said are we to receive good and not evil at the hand of God? We receive good and evil at the hand of God. But he (Dr. Price) said that’s a lie. End of verse 10, “In all this Job did not sin with his lips.” Is Job lying? Is he sinning when he said the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away? No. Is Fred Price a liar? You bet he is.
Job 42:7 And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, FOR YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN OF ME WHAT IS RIGHT, as My servant Job has.
Now one of Job’s friends was okay, but the others God was angry with.
So God Himself acknowledged not only that he sinned not by saying that, but that what Job had said was right. The only thing where Job wasn’t right was when God talked to him directly and said alright smart guy, where were you when I laid the corner stone of the earth (Job 38:6).
Some historians (Dr. Haye was where I first heard about it) believe that God is saying this, “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?” (Job 38:4), because Job was a Pharaoh in Egypt. He maybe was Khufu, who built the great pyramid, the greatest one of them all. So God is saying to him, you think you are pretty smart, you built a little stone pyramid over here and you think you are hot stuff. Well, where were you when I laid the corner stone of the earth. Job was like, ‘oh yeah, there’s my pyramid and then there is the EARTH.’
Job 40:4 “Behold, I am of small account; what shall I answer thee? I lay my hand upon my mouth.”
So God took him down a few notches. But what his friends kept saying to him was, ‘Job you sinned, just admit it, you’re a carnal slob and you sinned before God. He’s cursing you, just admit it.’ But Job said, ‘no I didn’t, I love God.’ So they go into all this philosophy and Job says, ‘yeah you guys know it all, when you die wisdom will die with you,’ (Job 12:2).
CANONIZATION OF ALL SCRIPTURES WAS CRITICAL
Because there was apostasy coming in the church. There is crime and corruption entering in; false prophets, antichrists, strong delusions. It says men shall be lovers of themselves, disobedient, proud, vain, booster, lovers of pleasure (II Tim. 3) and all of these things are coming into the church. So they need to be sure that everybody knows what is the Truth. Now they are going to set aside the books for the final canonization, as what are the Scriptures.
Now look a little bit at what we can gleam, there are all kinds of outside information, tradition and some history. There are traditions of the Jews that I could bring in here, but I wanted to stick pretty much just to the Scriptures. So we can see from the Scripture how and why God brought everything together.
Something really interesting to me, is the doctrine of 2 administrations; one for the Jews and one for the Gentiles. Two different gospels and all that nonsense. The Concordant Publishing teach that, a total farce. You can read my paper ‘Exposing The Secret Rapture,’ a 100 pages that just blows all that away.
II Peter was written to show the apostasy that had set in and would grow worse. That the WORDS OF THE PROPHETS AND THE WORDS OF THE APOSTLES must be heeded and preserved.
II Peter 3:2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,
But Peter says, Paul writes to you, isn’t that what he says in II Peter 3:15?
But I thought Peter was suppose to go to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles. Now it says in Gal. 2, that I (Paul) was to the uncircumcised and Peter to the circumcised.
Gal 2:7 …when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter.
But look at this.
II Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for these things, give diligence that ye may be found in peace, without spot and blameless in his sight.
v. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you;
Who did Paul write all his epistles to? The Gentiles. Paul is now in prison in Roman and Peter is writing to the Gentiles. What is going on here? Apparently Paul wanted him to, because Paul can’t get these letters out being in Roman, like he use to.
II Peter 3:16 as also in ALL his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
What did Peter know about “all his (Paul’s) epistles”? Because Peter had them. He had them all. How did he get them?
II Tim. 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with you; for he is useful to me for ministering.
v. 12 But Tychicus I sent to Ephesus.
v. 13 The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus, bring when thou come, and the books, ESPECIALLY THE PARCHMENTS.
These are Paul’s letters. These are not the books, but the vellums, these are his epistles. Why would he want all his epistles? Didn’t he know what he said? Well he knows his time is near the end and Paul knows what he has written is Scripture. We read many Scripture showing that he knew that he was writing ‘Bible verses’ if you will.
Now Paul wants Mark to come and bring those letters, because he’s going to go through them. In fact he’s going to edit some of them.
Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God, to the saints that are at Ephesus,
It doesn’t just say to the saints of God, but “that are in Ephesus,” That was editorialized, because his first letters apparently do not contain that. But then he edited it, so that they would know where this letter went.
Of course Ephesus was really the head quarters for the Asian church.
Remember there are 7 churches on a mail route; Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea. But the head church was always in Ephesus.
So he says, bring the parchments ‘especially’ I want those, these were Paul’s epistles. Now Mark returned to Peter in Babylon. Remember Peter wrote from Babylon.
II Peter 5:13 The church is in Babylon, elect together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son.
So Paul said sent Mark and be sure to bring the vellums and he must have brought them. Paul then edits them and says these are the ones. He started with the most important one of all for basic information, the book of Romans. It sets the doctrinal standards, but it’s mostly milk as far as doctrine goes. This leads up to his last epistles written from prison, Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians. These are the most spiritually strong Scripture in the whole bible.
Now Mark is back in Babylon with Peter and then when we go to II Peter, guess what? Peter has all of Paul’s epistles. There was a reason why Mark got them and took them to Paul. Then Paul sent them with Mark and he gave them to Peter. Now Peter has got them all, at least all the ones that Paul wanted to be sent to him. So Peter is definitely in charge of the Scriptures and here he talks about his epistles and the OTHER Scriptures. So he knows what the other Scriptures are.
So obviously the Apostles had all the Scriptures. They had the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the writings, they had it all. It (Old Testament) was in the synagogues and the Temple until 70 AD, but they also had them.
General epistles James, Peter, John and Jude should come before Paul's epistles. They were first to teach, first in authority (Acts 15) and first in teaching the milk of God's Word, followed by Paul's strong meat of God's Word.
SEVEN CANONIZATION PERIODS
1. Moses
2. David and Solomon
3. Isaiah and Hezekiah
4. Jeremiah and Josiah
5. Ezra and Nehemiah
6. Peter
7. John
So the canonization fell to Peter and John.
We read of John, He instructs him in Revelation 1:1 “What you see, write in a book…” So somehow that book (Revelation) had to join up with all the other books, as did I, II and III John and the Gospel of John. So John wrote 5 books; I John, II John, III John, The Gospel of John and Revelation.
I said there was 22 books written by 66 AD and by the end of John’s ministry, he added 5 more.
22 +5 = 27 + 22 OT books, all total 49.
7 x 7 = 49 = total completion.
That’s how many books there are suppose to be, that’s how many we have. So we’ve got the complete Bible.
There are some verses that are screwed up. We are going to go over some of those. But we have the complete Bible. In proper numbering it’s 7 x 7, count the number in the King James, how many are there? 66, whose number is that (man, Rev 13:18). The proper numbers are, 22 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament 7 x 7 = 49. That’s how many it should be, we do have the whole Bible. There are either quotations, statements or they alluded to (in the New Testament) that pertain to over a thousand Old Testament Scriptures. Not one quote, from the Apocryphal books that are in the King James or the Catholic Bible or all Bibles before 1885.
Then Catholics played games with it for a while. They saw that 66 was kind of ominous, but the Protestants came up with 66 and the Catholics said, boy that doesn‘t sound right. So at one point they added 14, so it was 80. Most had 80 and even the later additions all had 80.
But the Apostles had it right, it was 27. They knew how many the Old Testament had, they could just go to the local Rabbi and ask him, it was 22. 27 and 22 is 49, that is 7 x 7.
But the Catholics thought, well we can’t let anybody get away with that. Because they had 80 or 66. So they added 11 Apocryphal books, 11 + 66 = 77.
Foolish foolish theologians, playing games like that with the Word of God. Isn’t it just ridiculous, like kids out on the play ground you know, trying to get all the marbles.
The Catholic Church did not canonize the Scriptures, nor did the Protestant Church canonize the Scriptures. They were already canonized by God's servants hundreds of years earlier!
You have to believe the Scriptures, these Words are Spirit.
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
His Words are Spirit and are not literal.
You are not suppose to literally cut off your hand if you steal a candy bar. You are suppose to cut off that part of the heart that makes you lust for something you didn’t pay for. You are not literally suppose to cut your hand off, that’s figurative symbolic language.
The people that tell me, ‘the Bible is literal literal literal Ray.’ I say do you still have your hands and feet? Do you still have both your eyes? You are telling me, that the Bible is literal? Are you crazy? Have you never sinned? Well when did you literally cut off your hands and feet?
I had one guy tell me that it is literal, even though you don’t cut off your hands and feet, it’s still literal. What? You don’t even know what the word literal means, look it up in the dictionary.
These things are spiritual and gehenna fire is spiritual fire. God is a consuming fire, (Heb. 12:29). God is! God doesn’t use blow torches and cigarette lighters to burn people. God’s Spirit is a consuming fire, it consumes what’s bad. It doesn’t torture for all eternity, it’s a consuming fire. It consumes the bad and the evil and when it’s consumed, it’s gone.
That is why it uses the analogy of gold and silver. Because you burn the hell out of it and what you have when you’re done? Pure gold, tried in the fire. He says I beg you buy from Me gold tried in the fire (Rev. 3:18).
Read these Scriptures and it will all make sense. But all this hocus pocus that’s going around in the name of Christianity…. but I was there too, so you can’t throw rocks at them. I was just as dumb and deceived as they are and most of you were too.
By the time you start thinking you’re something special…. you know God didn’t have to reveal any of this stuff. We could be signing up to be one of those boomers. You know, ‘strap that dynamite to me, I’ll carry it into the market place.’ Those people don’t know any better. One day they will be so embarrassed that they could be so stupid. To think, they were going to blow up children with shrapnel and nails, blowing their eyes out. That would make Allah happy? What?
But you listen to Kenney, John Hagee, Benny Henn and all these other gnat wits, spiritual gnat wits. They would have you believe that torturing people in hell for all eternity makes God happy. Do we think that would make Him sad? Well do you think God would want to be sad and miserable for all eternity? No, God says He is going to do all His pleasure.
Isa. 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';
Well according to them, then torturing people must be His good pleasure. What kind of God is that?
You should see the email I get. ‘Ray you better repent, you are going to see that hell is more real than you want it to be.’ I don’t think so.
The God who created the face on my 4 cats, will not burn anybody in hell for all eternity. There is no redeeming value in sheer torture for no purpose. No end and no redeeming value. It is the most evil sin that has ever been conceived by man or demon, that God almighty would torture His creatures for all eternity in fire.
Hold your finger over a match for 3 seconds and tell me that God is going to burn people’s whole bodies for all eternity. It’s insane. Christian doctrines are not just wrong, they are evil and they are insane. Thank God that there is no such god. This is deceitful nonsense of the Devil.
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