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God is creating (present) man in His image?
nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: Lightseeker ---ertsky,
--- Quote ---it seems pretty straight forward to me Lightseeker
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That's the very point that I was making earlier. Things that the church taught seemed 'pretty straight foreward to me'...years ago...and now, I no longer believe them. Take the following verse which you quoted.
--- Quote ---Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
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Because man capitalized the S I used to believe that The Holy Spirit dwelled within me too. Now I don't. I believe my spirit became holy upon the new birth. The only body that I see The Holy Spirit in, is the 'many membered' 'singular body' of Christ Rom 12:5, 1Cor 12:12, Eph 2:19-22, . But that should be another thread. :shock:
--- Quote ---Lightseeker that sort of statement doesn't fit at all into my understanding of faithfulness to the doctrine of Christ
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You should reread your 1John and Titus quotes in context. I think you'll find that fellowship isn't based upon your/my doctrinal talk...it's based upon our walk...in obedience to the commandments. That's in both of your quotes...start at verse 1 and read them again. You're making 'fellowship requirements' which are based upon agreement, which simply makes a 'dead letter' of the law of doctrine IMO. Personally, I'd rather talk it wrong and walk it right than talk it right and walk it wrong. On the day of judgment we'll all be judged for every deed ... not every doctrine.
--- Quote ---TIT 3:10 A man that is an heretick/0141 after the first and second admonition reject;
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0141 hairetikos: a schismatic
Know what a schismatic is f? According to scripture it isn't someone who believes in heresy...it's someone who divides the church over differences of opinion. One saying I'm of Paul, Appolos, Cephas.
1CO 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Approval from God doesn't come from 'talking' in oneness but 'walking' in oneness. All the above is just my opinion of course. :D
As far as the 'doctrine of Christ' in your Titus verse...at least we're back to the topic of the thread and the fact that multiple baptisms are part of the two verses speaking of that doctrine.
HEB 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms,
So what, in your opinion, are those multiple baptisms which don't fit Eph 4:5 :?:
Sorry this was so long.
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We should start a separate thread to debate the subject.
Lightseeker:
NS,
I edited out my comments at the end about baptism. I forgot which thread I was on. :?
If you're talking about my Sspirit comment, I having second thoughts. I don't want to be doing something against protocol. This site is supposed to be about stuff that's been taught here. So far I think I've tried not to argue against anything. I do feel like I've questioned things based on my own personal 'right or wrong' understanding of scripture though. I've enjoyed myself here and don't want a problem.
What do you think, you've been here longer than me. If you feel comfortable starting something I'll weigh in.
nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: Lightseeker ---NS,
I edited out my comments at the end about baptism. I forgot which thread I was on. :?
If you're talking about my Sspirit comment, I having second thoughts. I don't want to be doing something against protocol. This site is supposed to be about stuff that's been taught here. So far I think I've tried not to argue against anything. I do feel like I've questioned things based on my own personal 'right or wrong' understanding of scripture though. I've enjoyed myself here and don't want a problem.
What do you think, you've been here longer than me. If you feel comfortable starting something I'll weigh in.
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I, myself, do not mind a debate. If it's okay with the other members, a debate would be great.
Craig:
Guys,
This is not a debate forum, questions yes, questions that may disagree, yes, as long as the questioner is trying to understand and learn, and you can agree to disagree.
Debates, NO. They usually only lead to strife and further disagreements, with no ones mind changed.
If you want to debate do it by PM.
Craig
ertsky:
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
if someone is a trinitarian, well they have my deepest sympathy, but i am not about to go back under a false doctrine that the Lord Himself has bought and brought me out of.
this is the bible-truths board not the let's all embrace the false doctrine of the trinity board, there are plenty of those out there already.
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