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God is creating (present) man in His image?
lilitalienboi16:
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So let me get this straight, You believe man is not the LIVING SOUL, but rather man is seperate from the living soul?
Also, you believe that simply because there is a BODY, SOUL, AND SPIRIT that God MUST BE 3 Parts also?
From what im reading from you, it seems to contradict completely the word of God.
That God breathed Life into man and HE BECAME A LIVING SOUL. The proces of breathing LIFE into Him MAKES HIM THAT SOUL, you believe He is not? There is no 3 step process to Creation. Read your scripture and pray that the Lord upon up your eyes. It's right there friend :)
So you think that WHen it says MAN is laid into the grave, you believe that HIs soul doesn't also lay there? You believe his soul is somewhere else? In heaven?
The spirit departs, but the SPirit is that BREATH OF LIFE, its not something that when it Goes to God the father you are somehow im heaven with Him. OUR THOUGHTS PERISH TILL THE DAY OF THE RESSURECTION OF THE DEAD. If we went to heaven because Our spirits return to God, then there would be no point in resurrecting us because we would already be with the Father in Heaven with our spirits. However that is not the case.
--- Quote ---Read your Job quote carefully. What is laid in the grave? A man (singular, not mankind). So does that mean a man isn't also a spirit? Does not the man of dust return to dust, and does not the spirit of man return to God?
So what sleeps in Sheol/Hades/grave until the day of judgment, is it the soul? Seventh Day Adventists teach something about soul sleep. I honestly don't know for sure.
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Man is three parts, yes that is true. Soul, spirit and Body.
However when a man is laid into his grave, His THOUGHTS PERISH. His LIVING SOUL = MAN IS DEAD. His soul is dead! It is asleep as the bible refers death too. The spirit (Breath of life) Is gone back toward the Father whence it came.
You quoted something interesting.
"The SOUL that sins IT SHALL DIE." Do you not see how this relates to MAN BEING A LIVING SOUL? MAN SINS, MAN DIES. SOUL AND MAN ARE INTERTWINED. MAN IS THE LIVING SOUL. This only further proves that the SOUL is NOT IMMORTAL, but rather the very part of MAN. THE LIVING SOUL WAS ADAM. ADAM IS THE LIVING SOUL. ADAM IS MAN= LIVING SOUL.
Soul is alseep in the grave, spirit (Breath of life) returns to God. You die, you loose the breath of life, thats obviouse. So your SPIRIT returns TO GOD WHENCE IT CAME.
How is this not simple for you to grasp? If you believe otherwise then argue with Gods word.
If im wrong in what i believe you are trying to say i apoligize im trying to figure out where we disagree and i don't know what it is.
P.S. The trinity is a completely false doctrine, you need to xplain why you find it in anyway valid what so ever. I don't think ive seen you make a valid case/show/explain why you believe the Trinity to have any truth whatsoever. Its contrary to the Word of God.
P.P.S. Lightseeker, from reading your responce to Nightmares quote i think you are perhaps being... hm... not to be mean or anything but it seems to me that you just want to be right really bad you are ignoring the scripture.
Nitemare quoted a perfect scripture that shows at DEATH, There is NOTHING. We SLEEP like the bible calls it. Man is the LIVING SOUL because of GODS SPIRIT. THE BREATH OF LIFE. The soul(man=LIVING SOUL) that SINS DIES. I am unable to see where your confusion lies. Please rephrase what you are having trouble understanding so that i can UNDERSTAND.
nightmare sasuke:
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I am getting into this conversation late. Hope I am not intruding.This is how I see what you asked about.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Without the breath of life the soul cannot live. I believe the combination of body and God's Spirit is what combines to make a living soul.
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Not intruding at all on my part. I have a question for you based on the above. We've, in part, been discussing man being made in the image of God and the trinity doctrine. Based upon your above post you seem to be saying that man isn't triparte but biparte (combination of spirit and body). So if that's the case are you saying God and man isn't a trinity but a duality.
--- Quote ---Christ is the man and the Spirit that is one. Only through Christ do we attain life. He is our Creator only he can give us the Spirit that is needed for life. There is only ONE life not three.
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But in the above quote you now say ONE life. I agree there is only one life, but is a person, and Christ, just a spirit? How do the following verses fit your position?
LUK 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have."
HEB 2:17 Wherefore in all things/Pas it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren
3956 pas: all, any, every, the whole
Nightmare
--- Quote ---"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave [sheol], whither thou goest" (Ecc 9:10, KJV).
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I feel like Joshua when he didn't know whose side the angel of the Lord was on. The angel just said nay. I could take your posted verse as another one supporting my position...but I don't know if that's what you intended. :?
I was really hoping for more from you concerning some of my questions earlier. I don't mean that as a cut. I know the posts are too long and other interests compete here for your imput. Thanks anyway.
Maybe this thread is reaching a frazzle and coming to an end. 8)
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I've been very busy with homework this week. I have not had time to make a full response to your posts. Please excuse me.
Hopefully... hopefully... I will be able to present a fuller analysis of your posts this weekend if I find time. If not, then definitely in 30 days ;D
Laren:
I won't get involved here too much, as this is a similar thread to what got be kicked off the last time. But it seems to me, there should be a disntinction made between those who believe and are new creations in Christ versus those who die physically unregenerated.
Joh 17:3 and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send--Jesus Christ;
Can we not have this life now??? I believe we can. So if we can, why wouuld God give us life age during now, and then remove it from us at physical death.
If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. New, not the old creation described in Genesis 2.
Joh 11:26 and whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall never die. Believest thou this?
ertsky:
Laren
--- Quote ---Can we not have this life now??? I believe we can. So if we can, why wouuld God give us life age during now, and then remove it from us at physical death.
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what we have now is the earnest of the spirit
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
until the redemption of the purchased posession
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
you quote
Joh 11:26 and whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall never die. Believest thou this?
but that is a terrible translation
have a look at the same verse in Youngs
Joh 11:26 and every one who is living and believing in me shall not die--to the age;
Ray wrote some great stuff on this verse, heres an exerpt
The word "never" in John 11:26 is translated from:
#3364 = oume, "a double negative; not at all, neither, never, nor ever."
#1519 = ice, "to, into, throughout, for."
#165 = aion, "age."
read it all in
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html
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Laren:
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--- Quote ---Can we not have this life now??? I believe we can. So if we can, why wouuld God give us life age during now, and then remove it from us at physical death.
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what we have now is the earnest of the spirit
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
until the redemption of the purchased posession
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
you quote
Joh 11:26 and whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall never die. Believest thou this?
but that is a terrible translation
have a look at the same verse in Youngs
Joh 11:26 and every one who is living and believing in me shall not die--to the age;
Ray wrote some great stuff on this verse, heres an exerpt
The word "never" in John 11:26 is translated from:
#3364 = oume, "a double negative; not at all, neither, never, nor ever."
#1519 = ice, "to, into, throughout, for."
#165 = aion, "age."
read it all in
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html
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We can talk more by PM if u want, as I know this belief is not of Ray's. I just thank God I know him now, and can know him more and more.
Joh 17:3 and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send--Jesus Christ;
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