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Gregor:
Greetings Arcturus,
I can agree with you, especially since this quote is directed to John Hagee. Submerged chaos certainly contrasts the higher standard, higher calling of the elect.
Mr. Hagee, read Paul's epistles and notice that those under Grace are held to a much higher standard of conduct and morality than those who put themselves under law. Paul instructs Titus to set standards of morality for elders in the church that are far higher than what was expected of law-keeping Israelites. How many law-keeping clergymen do you think would qualify according to Titus 1:9: " ... able to entreat with sound teaching as well as to expose those who contradict." Much of today's Christian teachings are so unsound and unscriptural that they do nothing but contradict.
And from the LOF-XI
In Hebrews 10:25 were are admonished as follows:
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching."
That this is speaking of believers congregating together to worship and study God’s Word, there can be no doubt. However, there is a much deeper meaning to this "assembling" that few have ever seen. I never saw it myself until I read a paper by J. Preston Eby, entitled: "FORSAKE NOT THE ASSEMBLING."
I will quote an excerpt or two from his paper:
"The Greek word for ‘assembling’ is EPISUNAGOGE. The word, literally, is a verb meaning to synagogue. It is a compound of the Greek prefix EPI with the word SUNAGOGE from which we get our transliterated English word Synagogue. EPI means super – imposition – that which is above, higher than, highest, upon. SUNAGOGE means a meeting, assembly, or gathering. Putting these two words together, EPI-SUNAGOGE means THE ABOVE SYNAGOGUE, THE HIGHER MEETING, THE HIGHEST ASSEMBLY, THE HIGHER-THAN-ALL-GATHERINGS!
It bespeaks of something far greater than merely collecting so many breathing bodies together in one place.
It is a meeting in a higher realm, on a higher plane, in the high places of the Spirit, and in the heights of Truth. It is a gathering together in a dimension above. It indicates an assembling IN THE SPIRIT…"
(All Caps belong to Mr. Eby).
This Greek word episunagoge is used only one other time in Scripture, and that is in II Thes. 2:1:
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together [Gk: episunagoge] unto Him."
In Hebrews 10 we are admonished to "assemble" in an high meeting, a meeting in the SPIRIT! In II Thes. 2 this meeting in the Spirit will become a literal meeting with our Lord.
And so, back to our question once more: Which denomination should we join? Where should we go to Church? Where should we "forsake not the assembling of ourselves together?" In a physical building of some physical denomination? No. WE are to episunagoge (assemble) on a higher plane, in a higher realm, in a spiritual assembly, IN THE SPIRIT!
Peace. ;)
G.
Gregor:
As for the earth, it came to be a chaos and vacant, and darkness was over the surface of the submerged chaos (or abyss). And the Spirit of Elohim was vibrating over the surface of the waters. (Genesis 1:2)
Taken from the Concordant Version of Genesis (revised)
Same reference to "submerged chaos" but definately not in reference to the synogogues of satan. Any thoughts?
jER:
Any thoughts?
Perhaps, we should consider what may have taken place between Genesis 1:1 and that of verse three, where darkness was upon the earth and it was without form? The earth may well be older than that which is taught in the churches:
"....there were heavens of old, and an earth cohering out of water and through water,
by the word of God; through which the then world, being deluged by water, perished" (2 Peter 3: 5-6)
And, this disruption which is assumed by the churches to be the flood of Noah’s time, may indeed be a reference to :
"Flow together shall the water from under the heavens to one place, and appear shall
the dry land" (Genesis 1:9)
If the Lord created the earth from the beginning, not submerged in chaos, than He caused it to take place. Why? And, why did death and sin enter the world?
"for Thou lovest Me before the disruption of the world" (John 17:24-25)
"He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world" (Ephesians 1:3-4)
"...the precious blood of Christ, as of a flawless and unspotted lamb,
foreknown, indeed, before the disruption of the world..." (1 Peter 1:19-21)
…that your faith and hope, be in God.
Therefore, "we should be brought on to maturity…" not disrupting, again - the foundation of
repentance from dead works.... (Hebrews 6:1)
"For we are cast down, but not destroyed" (2 Corinthians 4:9)
Just another thought: No greater love, than One lay his life down for another, and considering that All creation will come to this knowledge, than perhaps the angels who were created immortal will also be given this understanding – through us.
JER
UncleBeau:
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Just another thought: No greater love, than One lay his life down for another, and considering that All creation will come to this knowledge, than perhaps the angels who were created immortal will also be given this understanding – through us.
JER
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1 Timothy 6:15-17 (King James Version)
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Let's not forget the scriptures ;)
your friend,
-Beau
jER:
Hello Uncle…B,
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Indeed, let us not forget the Scriptures: ;)
"which, to its own eras, the happy and only Potentate (He who rules unconstrained by law; Sovereign, ruler) will be showing: He is King of kings and Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality (perpetual life, after death), making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving (not comprehended through the senses of man), to Whom be honor and might eonian. Amen!" (1 Timothy 6:15-17; The Concordant Literal New Testament).
The verses below are interesting, to say the least:
"Perceive My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and perceive (comprehend), for a spirit has not flesh and bones according as you behold Me having." (Luke 24:39)
The celestials (or heavenlies), often referred to as the Spirit realm, is full of spirit beings that are termed; messengers and sons of God that translate as angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Matthew 26:53; Revelation 5:11).
All true believers, who overcome in Christ are termed Sons of God because of their special place in the Kingdom, due to the fact that they have been begotten through the Spirit of God and have become part of a New Creation (Galatians 3:26-29; 1 John 3:1; Ephesians 1:5; Romans 8:19). Even Adam was called a son of God (Luke 3:38).
It appears that these are in reference to all those who have been created by God, to reflect His character and authority, thus, they are called, "His sons."
Although, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God; the Firstborn Son.
Now, Jesus said, "You are deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet with the power of God. For in the resurrection neither are they marrying nor taking in marriage, but are as messengers of God in heaven." (Matthew 22:29-30)
Angels apparently, do not marry…
"Yet those deemed worthy to happen upon that eon and the resurrection from among the dead are neither marrying nor taking out in marriage. For neither can they still be dying, for they are equal to messengers, and are the sons of God, being sons of the resurrection." (Luke 20:35-36)
"For if God spares not sinning messengers, but thrusting them into the gloomy caverns of Tartarus, gives them up to be kept for chastening judging;" (2 Peter 2:4)
"Besides, messengers who keep not their own sovereignty, but leave their own habitation, He has kept in imperceptible bonds under gloom for the judging of the great day." (Jude 6)
This passage in Jude is very revealing and clearly states that some rebellious spirits had abandoned their (God) given position in the celestials, or heavenly bodies, and seem to still be living, pending judgment. Perhaps, they will face the second death, as will that old serpent – the devil. They cannot face the first death because they are spirit – not flesh and blood.
It would seem that "Non-mortals" are immune to the physical death, and the current aspects of mortality, as they are spirit. Therefore, to put on immortality would consist of dying in the physical, transcending the mortal shell, or flesh - to the Spiritual.
"To put on immortality; one has to die while one is still alive." As for the carnal - fleshly mind, anyways!
A friend in Christ,
JER
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