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kweli:
Hi all

I saw a sermon which was about these verses: John 14: 12-14

12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

The pastor was asking, if Jesus said we will do even greater things than what he did, why havent we at least started doing the things that he was doing? He asked, why havent we at least started walking on water?

Of course he had to say it is because of our lack of the Holy Spirit which was in Jesus. Then line people up and pray for them until they start hyperventilating and fainting. That was expected. But his question had me thinking a lot. Why arent we walking on water (at the very least)?

Seeking His Glory,
Kweli

hillsbororiver:
Hi Kweli,

It is my belief these "greater works" will be accomplished in the next age as the elect with Christ bring in the Fall Harvest.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

kweli:
Hi Joe. Thanks for responding

I look at John 14 as Jesus telling us what will be when he's gone back to the Father, not necessarily when the elect will be with him in the next age. In the verses that follow he says we will have a Counselor to remind us of all that he said. So I'm not sure about accomplishing greater works when being with him.

I dont like sci fi, so Im not trying to see us walk on water. But we do have faith in him...

Extol:
Hi Kweli,
 I see Jesus speaking of spiritual things here.

"The words that I speak to you are spirit..." John 6:63
 
  I was born with my physical sight, but when I came to bible-truths.com, it was like my eyes were opened for the first time. It was like the friend who led me to the site, as well as Ray, had healed me of blindness. I'd much rather be healed of spiritual blindness than physical blindness. To me, this is a greater healing than the kind Jesus performed. Jesus fed the thousands, but they hungered again. Jesus healed people and raised them from the dead, but they died anyway. The spiritual is greater.

 Another thought I had when I read the pastor's quote: What would be the point of us physically walking on water? How would it make us any more spiritual?  ;)

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Kweli

Just a few thoughts.

You have had some very good replies so far. I always believe that when I am in doubt it is wise to refer to http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm

From this I quote Rays teaching here : Man is not a "spirit being" having a "physical" experience, but rather man is a "physical and mortal" being having a "spiritual" experience. We are first born mortal [physical], but in the resurrection God gives us immortality (the spiritual).

This makes good sense to me. I can certainly accept that  no one is yet spiritual.

We know that Christ descended from Heaven and was Spiritual and able to do the miracles He did. Demons who are spirits can also perform so called miracles.

Human kind is not spiritual yet. We can have spiritual thoughts and receive the blessed influence in experience of the Mind of Christ, Grace (Divine influence on our hearts) and fruit of His Spirit but the Mind of Christ and the Fruit of the Spirit and Divine Influence of God for me refers to the inheritance of Christ not of mankind.....not yet....Mankind has not yet received liberation from corruption, vanity and imperfection.

The process of conversion into the image of Christ is not complete or finalized yet and neither has it been perfected in or on any individual born of woman except in Christ Jesus the savior of Humankind who has set us the example of how to live in His Spirit and keep His ways.

Peace be to you

Arcturus :)

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