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When was Adam created???
gmik:
I can't remember reading anything about this on the forum.
While reading the transcripts from the conference (thanks Kat), Ray talks about historical time lines and such.
I am just wondering why most people go back only to 4,000 BC or so. It seems pretty routine to read about finding pottery and housing and such that go back to at least 10,000 BC.
My classes history book (4th grade) says that nomadic tribes wandered across Asia to the land bridge known as Beringia (Bering strait) and just kept wandering down all of North and South America as early as 10,000BC.
I have no problem w/ that IF we can say that Adam was created before then.
So, would it be apostasy to challenge that 4000 year date??
PS As a public school teacher I always tell my class..."Well, thats what our book says BUT I believe the Bible and the Bible says....". I do that all the time. Just wondered if I should do it for Beringia too :D
hillsbororiver:
Hi Gena,
Ray touches on this subject a bit (as he did when we were in Nashville) in this last (Dec. '07) Bible Study;
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2641.msg19809.html#msg19809
As far as how did this 6000 year old earth theory come into existence, back in the 1650's an Irish bishop named James Ussher studied the genealogies in the Old Testament. By doing so he calculated that the earth was created in 4004 B.C.
More on him here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher
This is to be the big topic at the next Nashville Conference but I know I am not speculating that Ray will present some very convincing scriptural and scientific evidence that the world is much older than the mainstream churches claim.
His Peace to you and yours, we look forward to seeing you again in Nashville!
Joe
musicman:
The question posed is a good one and doesn't have very much to do with the age of the earth. The question concerns the age of modern man. I believe that I may have found a hint in the early chronologies that they had gaps (probably quite large ones). There is definately a problem with evidence if one insists that Adam was created 6000 years ago. This is a problem, at least with the people already existing in the Americas and Australia when Eropeans migrated to these places. The American land bridge existed at least 10,000 years ago. I'm not sure when Australia had such a crossing. Perhaps these people were transported by the Love Boat.
Sorin:
These are just my thoughts. So I'm not arguing them as if they are facts, just my speculation on things.
I have a feeling that Ray will probably say something similar to this on the next conference, or I could be totally wrong. ;D
But either way, here goes:
I think the reason the Dinosaurs became extinct, why they had to die, was because God wanted to create mankind. I mean; how can humans survive with giant lizards roaming about? Especially the primitive humans. Thus the Dinosaurs had to go. In Genesis we do read that God created animals first, and we know that those are not literal 24 hour days., but a 'day' could represent thousands, if not millions of years. So, even though it doesn't specifically say it, I think God created the Dinosaurs way before man, and killed off the Dinosaurs when it was the time for mankind to be created.
What are your thoughts on this?
Oh, and Gena.... I believe Adam lived way longer than 4,000 years ago, because the earth is way older than 6,000 years.
Peace,
Sorin
Kat:
Hi Gena,
I think there is a pretty tight timeline of about 6000 years since Adams. The reason is because Ray went over this at the conference about how there was a book that Adam passed down. So the lives of those people that had this book would have overlapped for it to reach Moses.
Transcript of audio 3
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html ------
There already apparently existed histories and genealogies of creation, Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham and Jacob’s children.
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Gen 5:1 This is the book [Heb.- writing, register, scroll, BOOK] of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Moses had a book, he didn’t write it, he had it. Where did he get it? Well undoubtedly Adam had it, and God gave Adam material. God taught Adam a language, Adam knew how to read and write, he had a language and vocabulary.
How though, do we get this from Adam to Moses? Well it’s not as difficult as you might think. Now if these were the earliest records or books that some race processed, don’t you think they were kind of valuable!
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Now Adam did not canonize any Bible. Moses was the first. How did Moses get these books? Well it’s not as hard as you may think. Methuselah born in 3254 BC, knew his great, great, great, great grandfather Adam (who died in 3011) for 243 years before he died. This is interesting stuff. These dates are estimates of course. Noah (born 2885) was 600 years old when the flood came and Methuselah died in the year of the flood. So Noah had already known Methuselah 600 years.
If Methuselah got these books from Adam, whom he knew for 243 years, then he could have easily passed these on to Noah. Whom he had known for 600 years and then Noah would bring them through the flood. It’s no other way books are going to survive a flood, they had to be brought on the ark.
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Here is a timeline from a Bible study this year. You can see the overlaps of the lives of Adam and Methuselah and then Noah. It appears that Noah lived at the time of Abraham, then Isaac and Jacob and then it goes to Joseph which brings us to Moses.
Adam and Eve 4000- BC
Methuselah is born 3250-
Adam dies - age 930 3000+
Noah is born 2885
Noah's flood - 969
Methuselah dies in the year of the flood 2285
Babel - languages confused 2150+
Abram/Abraham born 1995
Noah dies at age
(lived 500 pre and post flood) 1936
Sodom and cities burned 1900-
1st son Isaac born 1895
Jacob and Esau born 1835
Famine ends in Egypt 1700
Israel prospers in Egypt for 150 yrs 1600
Israel slaves of Egypt for 175 yrs 1450
Moses leads exodus 1275
Israel invades Canaan - walls of Jericho fall 1234
Samson is born 1090
David born in Bethlehem 1034
Saul first king of Israel 1025
David king of Israel 1000+
David dies age 69 965
Solomon rules - 1st Temple built 965-925
Elijah and Baal priests 860+
Israel falls to Assyria
Isaiah prophesies 700
Judah taken by Babylon Temple burned 600-
Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremaih
Zechariah calls for new Temple 520
Worship restored by Malachi, Ezra and Nehemiah 450
Temple built in Samaria 333
Septuagint: The Law from Hebrew to Greek 250
Rome rules Judah 64
Herod the Great is made king of the Jews
rebuilds the Temple 37
Jesus is born 4-3
resurrection 30 AD
mercy, peace and love
Kat
p.s. Sorin, there is a hint about the dinosaurs in audio 7 that I'm working on now. It seems there were dinosaurs in the world since Adam 8)
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