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Fedex Guy:
Hi all, I'm new to forum. I'd like some feedback............

I've been a Christian 20 years and only recently started to doubt some doctrines, including hell, tithing, and the "immortal soul". Ray's stuff has helped a lot, though I'm not ready to jump into the universalist "pond of fire" just yet.

I read that horrible testimony by Bill Weise (23 Minutes in Hell) and it scared the hell out of me. It was complete with a four minute video of hell (I still can't figure out how he smuggled a video camera down there) What you think about this, as well as other visions and visitations of hell? Even though I now doubt hell, reading it still scares me. It seems so real and vivid and he spoke so calmly giving his testimony.

Anyway, there are few things which don't add up. He gives the 18th or 19th century version of hell - the demons do the torturing. Now if God created hell for the devil and his angels, did he mean for it to be a kind of demonic Disney World, where demons have never ending fun torturing human souls?

He claims to have had an out of body experience, yet in hell he had a body. Also he says Jonah went to hell. I just read the whole book of Jonah and I didn't see where he went anywhere while he was in the fish's belly. I'm sure he felt as if he was in the grave, being buried alive and all, but hell?

Also an interesting note on the "immortal soul". When I search online for articles about hell, I could easily find both defenders and deniers. But when I search for articles on immortal soul, I had to look very hard to find even one article defending it. Maybe because it's indefensible. Yet the doctrine of hell relies heavily on immortality.

M_Oliver:
You know the answers to your questions.  Welcome home :).  Get over it and "move on to perfection"

And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
(Luke 8:14 KJVR)

Mark

Sorin:
That guy is full of crap. I'm surprised that anyone can't see that due to his many contradictions, the guy is full of hot air. How anyone can make up a story like that, and stick with it as if it's the truth is beyond me-but there's really nothing to be afraid of, there is no such thing
as "hell".

Just my two cents,

-Sorin

P.S. Welcome Fedex Guy

Beloved:
I am not sure what you mean...you could not find anyone defending the idea of Immortal soul The idea of immortal soul that was developed by the Greeks is so INGRAINED in our culture today that "the many" are totally blinded by it.

It like living with really bad BO because of constant bombrdment on the olfactory nerve...your nose can no longer smell it. The immortal soul has crept deep down into humanity...the religious of Alexandria infused the early church with it and Maimomades completely incorported iand replace traditional Judaism.  It is a hard concept for some to relingush.

As far as hell goes......If you look into history you can find early writers who introduced the whole idea of hell are gloating about the fact that they can now use it to control the masses as well as the elite.

There is nothing better thn fear to gain a persons attention...FIRE is a potent deterent but why does hell have to be fire....why not drowning or beatings or how about a boogey-bat who constantly sneaks up on you and takes big bites out of you all the time with instant tissue regeneration so the it would never run out of material. You are right about the Demon Disney World...that doesn't make any sense. Exactly what is the purpose for this endless atrocity.

The problem that people have with the Lake of Fire is that we do not understand exactly how judgement will be parceled out to those who are not among the elect. So the LOF doesn't seem fair to them.

Heb 10:31  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Because God is Good and Loving ....we know God will pick out the absolutely perfect judgement for all of the offences in each person's life.

The glory that the Father will have is .....that all of the things that have happened to his creatures during their lives ....will then have meaning and purpose and ......all things will be perfectly restituted .....because His Son prepared the Way for their return.

Beloved

Fedex Guy:
Thanks for your reply.

When I said I couldn't find any defense for the immortal soul, I was just referring to an internet search. I'm sure any pastor out there would be glad to defend it. Why do Christians, when they hear or read the word death, they automatically replace it in their minds with "endless torment in hell". I just don't get it. The wages of sin is what???????  :o

Regards

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